US big mad
But he said the launch also raises questions around how Huawei managed to launch the phone when it has spent the past four years under US restrictions banning access to 5G technology. “While access to 5G for the chipset is one thing, I’m not sure how the company managed to source all the other components that need to go into a 5G smartphone, such as power amps, switches and filters,” he said.
Love that America’s 21st century cold war is fully predicated on the assumption that China does not have the ability to develop its own productive capacity.
Huawei is literally one of the cocreators of 5G
yeah, don’t really understand the shock here
the whole policy really seems… stupid. Like, we’ve kinda hit a plateau with microchips and CPUs. Any smaller and you start getting quantum interference and the board becomes useless. So why is the stated strategy to prevent innovation on this front? What difference does it make? Either US leaders are fighting last century’s battle and assuming this is perfectly analogous to the Soviet computer industry, or it’s a distraction for something more covert.
But… I don’t really know what the latter could be. I’m half convinced we’re just not capable of that kind of thing anymore, that all the old heads have retired and all our clandestine institutions are staffed by their starry-eyed children. People with the right connections and none of the skills.
Probably a lot of racism that the inferior Chinese couldn’t possibly create quality tech without stealing it
So why is the stated strategy to prevent innovation on this front? What difference does it make?
White people get to stay on top of the food chain for like two extra months. That’s enough for these guys to justify it.
I think it’s mostly a version of the former. The US has a hammer (sanctions to restrict tech and capital intensive development) and they only know how to wing it at nails. The failure of US sanctions to truly hurt Russia is an example of this - it really does seem like they thought they’d do more, even though the “bring EU closer to the US” strat worked for now.
I’m sure there are wonks that have thought of contingencies around this anti-China strategy so that there are multiple ways to “win”, but I think the core of it is to try to slow down China’s growth and domination of tech, as the US (and EU vassals) rely heavily on their (self-) advantaged position in tech monopolies. The US and EU absolutely cannot compete so the US is trying to delay and to carve out more spaces to neocolonize (EU better be ready for that lol). EU countries are playing with the idea of being less vassalized but so far haven’t done anything concrete.
One “win” will probably be that this slots into a general new cold war anti-China narrative. They’re always slapping that “China bad” button so that the US populace will be amenable to having their consent manufactured for more. Notice that the US media narratives are, “I guess the sanctions didn’t work against those threatening sneaky [slur]s, so how do we escalate even more?” and not, “why are there even sanctions and who wants them?” Getting ready to escalate and escalate, hoping that China will eventually react so strongly that there will be a watershdd moment.
The Amerikkkan political class only knows how to ramp up tensions until they have the excuses they need to do mass murder for profit.
The shock is quite clear to me, despite all the sanctions, Huawei’s domestic chip is only 2 to three years behind what the best of TSMCs process has to offer. It’s equivalent to the best Samsungs process has to offer, even better in areas. That is an unprecedented achievement.
5G is cool, but the real story is just how good this domestic chip is.
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outsource the construction of absolutely everything to China
confused as to how China makes Things
theft?
Love that America’s 21st century cold war is fully predicated on the assumption that China does not have the ability to develop its own productive capacity.
That’s why they keep implementing these sanctions. The people running this country genuinely cannot believe that Chinese people / companies / organizations / leadership are capable of cutting - edge innovation.
I wonder when it will sink in that they were wrong. Will it be when all of our drones and missiles fall out of the sky due to Chinese jamming if we go to war? Will it be when there is a Chinese flag on the moon? On Mars? When the dust settles and the blood has soaked into the earth and the world settles into some kind of post - apocalyptic state if climate change is ever brought under a modicum of control, will Anglos crawl from their huts and cough as they shake their fists across the Pacific at a nation with hydrogen energy and scream that they stole it?
It will not sink in this generation. Perhaps in a hundred years.
But that will just be the reality they are born into. The sad thing is these ghouls will never accept they were wrong unless they end up being strung up by a mob.
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when did it sink in for brits that they’re no longer the empire? dont hold your breath… :D
I can’t tell if this is the usual coordinated anti-China prop or a big ad buy from Huawei, because the net effect is I really want a Huawei phone now
The phone is 1000+ USD
Yeah that’s sort of the floor for flagship phones. That’s why I’m ten generations behind 😎
I don’t get paying more than $150 for a phone. I just need to check emails, read hexbear, and listen to podcasts. Am I the only one terrified about having this fragile and very stealable $2000 thing in my pocket???
In 2019 less than 10% of Americans were buying $1000 phones so you’re probably with the majority still.
Also yeah I drop my phone a lot so I use a really sturdy phone case that’s protected it 100% of the time. Obviously ruins the look though so why even bother with a fancy looking phone…
Lol, I buy garbage phones but no case. To each their own.
AFAIK I’ve destroyed one phone from dropping, and have had to replace one display.
i’ve been using a moto g5 for years and i drop it all the time, no phone case
to the point where it’s become a bit of a joke among friends in class, since every time it drops it kind of spreads around, battery on one side, back cover to the other, volume button goes wherever, and like 1 or 2 people help me pick up the parts lmao
but the screen is still pristine, not a single scratch, not a single crack
i’m really sad it’s becoming too slow even for normal daily shit, i doubt any current cell phone could take such a beating
My millionaire friend from school did buy those new things, used them, lost, or destroyed them within a couple of month and had like 1-2 phones per year or more (newest models of course).
Ya I know a no work, 30 something daughter of a capitalist, who buys every sub version of the iPhone the second it comes out. She’ll even line up and shit.
Yeah exactly (mine was the daughter of a land lord family and married a capitalist heir who fetishised her hard). Lining up for new gadgets did happen, too. Though often not personally.
no one buys phones outright (but you should!), everyone just gets it through their carrier for some monthly price added to the bill over three years.
still cheaper than the top tier iphone & samsung phones lol
I think that the US government must be freaking out right now because I suspect they had a strategy to hamper the Chinese military tech development by cutting off their supply of cutting-edge semiconductors, and it looks like their plan may be starting to fall apart.
I’m trying to figure out whether this is a good thing because it will provide China with more deterrence, should it be a mass produced domestic semiconductor which is catching up on the best semiconductors that Taiwan and the west can produce, or if it’s bad news because it will encourage the US to accelerate their plans for war with China.
I guess I just hope that China can break ahead and reach escape velocity before the US can advance to the point where it feels ready to execute its plans for war.
US is already unable to defeat China in a war. hypersonic missiles are one thing, but China has several other advantages. the PLA Navy has more ships than the US Navy (they are smaller ships, which could be an advantage in modern peer war— smaller target, harder to detect, better maneuverability). manufacturing is a huge advantage China has— even in domestic arms manufacturing, which the US didn’t deindustrialize as drastically as other industries, the US is severely lacking and is dwarfed even by Russia’s production. US is just not ready for a peer war. you could argue that China’s soldiers are untested in battle, and you would be correct, but US tactics and operations are well known and are being studied by PLA personnel. the US strategy doesnt even work well, as evidenced by the horrible performance against countries 10% of their size.
nuclear war is a very real fear, but that would mean mutual destruction or complete destruction of the US with heavy but sustainable damage to China. China has enough of a nuclear arsenal to perform second-strike and even third-strike nuclear attacks. we are also unaware of the efficacy of China’s missile defense systems (they may not be able to defend against nuclear warheads, but i wouldn’t put it past them). also the US nuclear arsenal is old and could have problems that prevent launch
The last thing even vaguely resembling a battle the us miliary was involved in was Fallujah in 2004, 20 years ago, and that was mostly the us encircling the city with heavy weapons then flattening it, not any kind of fight.
my point exactly, they only engage in fighting where they vastly outnumber the enemy. this was even true in the european front of WW2
where they vastly outnumber the enemy. this was even true im WW2
Kind of true in the European setting and not to defend the US here, but there were a few moments in the Pacific where things were quite balanced against Japan, at least until 1943.
true, i edited my comment to reflect this
picking your fights and only engaging when you have an advantage is just basic strategy though. if they had the sense to do this on the geopolitical level as well then they wouldn’t be an empire in decline but here we are.
they are only able to do so bc they engage in colonial warfare. fighting the nazis WW2 wasnt a colonial war, but they were only able to fight inferior forces bc the nazis were busy fighting the Soviets. and they are only able to avoid peer wars w Russia bc Ukraine is ruled by compradors who act in the service of amerikan empire. look at the horrible advice US military command is giving Ukraine, having them throw themselves at defensive lines that have materiel and personnel superiority
In WW2 they had general’s like Patton chomping at the bit to continue the war with an invasion of the Soviet Union and ofc MacAuthor wanting to escalate the Korean War into a full scale invasion of China. There has always been the opportunity to conduct a peer war but always someone with a cooler head to prevail. The great threat to humanity is that we may have passed the threshold where the tragedy of competent anti-communists building a global hegemony will be replaced with the farce of true believers who don’t know their propaganda is propaganda having inherited an empire which their ideological lens will not allow them to accurately understand or assess the strength of itself or it’s enemies and plunge it into an unwinnable war with a nuclear superpower.
US is just not ready for a peer war. you could argue that China’s soldiers are untested in battle, and you would be correct
uhhhh the US’s soldiers are also untested in battle. None of the soldiers on the fighting lines will have ever been in a war before, all the Iraq war vets are like 40 years old.
and all their generals are untested in battle excepting against goat herders in a flat floodplain desert river valley
this is a moot point and a cope that proamericans fall on, it literally isn’t even true.
yeah but i didnt say US soldiers were “battle-hardened”, just that PLA soldiers aren’t. in the same sentence i say the US warfare techniques are well known, which they are (reliance on bombing and drone warfare)
yeah but i didnt say US soldiers were “battle-hardened”, just that PLA soldiers aren’t.
US soldiers aren’t either. The way you wrote it clearly implies that they have some kind of experience that Chinese soldiers don’t. This is false.
they have experience using drones and bombs to kill ppl. unless PLA soldiers are out there bombing weddings, that is experience US soldiers have that PLA soldiers dont
further, my comment doesnt “clearly imply” that. stop being pedantic, if you have a problem with anything i actually said, criticize that instead of taking the least charitable interpretation of my comment. PLA soldiers don’t have experience with warfare, this is true. i said this bc its a possible rebuttal to my stance on PLA superiority, not as some implied praise of US military efficacy
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Isn’t modern US doctrine that aircraft carriers are the dominant force in the navy? China has limited aircraft carrier capability and lacks the self-sufficiency of nuclear-powered aircraft carriers.
The War Nerd: This Is How the Carriers Will Die (2009)
hypersonic missile tech has only become more asymmetric since then
The lesson here is the same one all of you suckers should have learned from watching the financial news this year: the people at the top are just as dumb as you are, just meaner and greedier.
Amen
If someone can build a hypersonic missile, someone can also build a hypersonic missile interceptor missile… And you can fit a lot of missiles in a CVBG.
Sure, the CVBG doctrine only really works against the Japanese (where both babies are fighting over small islands that are far from their respective homelands)… But I don’t think that hypersonic missiles obsolete carriers in that role.
I do think that that role is useless against China or Russia given that they aren’t really colonial imperial powers with territory around the world, but…
The whole point of the hypersonic missiles is that you cannot intercept them.
We don’t even have the technology today to intercept (fixed) ballistic missile trajectory at an acceptable rate (the US Patriots had enough problem dealing with Iraqi Scuds made in the 1950s!), and the hypersonic missiles with maneuverable and unpredictable flight paths made them orders of magnitudes harder to intercept.
The Russian Zircons (hypersonic cruise missile) fly at Mach 8-9, which means if a CVBG can detect flying objects 200km from the horizon, they literally have 72 seconds to react. That’s slightly over a minute to detect, track, calculate intercept paths (they can’t against unpredictable targets), and launch the interceptor missiles with literally no second chance if the first wave fails to hit their target (and they will fail).
It doesn’t matter how many missiles you can fit into your entire carrier battle group, if the success rate is 1/1000 (and that’s a BIG if), then good luck lol.
We don’t even have the technology today to intercept (fixed) ballistic missile trajectory at an acceptable rate
IIRC the US’ missile interception system has a 40% success rate when the ballistic missile has a known origin and a normal parabolic trajectory
so yea, that nuke is hitting whether ppl like it or not, even if we went back in time 50 years people would still be able to nuke today’s US, only half as effectively
Even this claim has been called into question.
From NY Times: Did American Missile Defense Fail in Saudi Arabia?
Governments have overstated the effectiveness of missile defenses in the past, including against Scuds. During the first Gulf War, the United States claimed a near-perfect record in shooting down Iraqi variants of the Scud. Subsequent analyses found that nearly all the interceptions had failed.
And going into the second linked article:
The United States Army has said that its Patriots intercepted about 40 percent of the Scud missiles that Iraq fired at Israel during the war in 1991. That is a far more modest estimate than the one originally given by the military and by the Bush Administration. In the gulf war, former President George Bush once said that the Patriot’s record was nearly perfect.
But Moshe Arens, who was Israel’s Defense Minister in the gulf war; Gen. Dan Shomron, who was chief of staff of the Israel Defense Force during the war, and Haim Asa, a member of an Israeli technical team that worked with the Patriot missile during the war, say that one or possibly none of the Scuds was intercepted by the Patriots. They appeared in a documentary scheduled to be aired today on Israel television. An advance copy of interviews with the three was made available to The New York Times.
What had likely happened was that the Patriots intercepted the discarded missile body after it had been separated from the warhead at the terminal phase:
Check out the NY Times article I linked above.
The whole point of hypersonic cruise missiles is that they don’t have a fixed flight path while also moving 10 times the speed of sound.
Intercepting such a target is physically impossible.
What even is the turning radius of an HGV? Sure, you’re not constrained by silly things like pilot blackout and whatever, but that doesn’t mean it can zig zag at will.
I don’t think hypersonic missile interception is possible, unless the US gets laser weapons working or something like that. Hypersonics are incredibly fast, and Russia’s fighter jet launched hypersonics easily defeated the Patriot air defense systems in Ukraine, when they targeted them. Even intercepting normal supersonic and subsonic cruise missiles is a crapshoot, the iron Dome in Israel gets defeated by homemade rockets at times. Interception technology is very overrated currently.
Also hypersonic missiles fly so fast that they generate a plasma cloud around them and rendering them very difficult to be tracked by radars. So you might not even see them coming at all! And even if you do, your radars can’t track them. And even if you can track them, they’re too unpredictable to calculate an intercept path.
Interceptors are more difficult to make than the missiles themselves, and often are more expensive. They also don’t have 100% interception chance so you need to fire 2-4 just to be sure.
Aircraft carriers are only good for shows of force against vastly inferior militaries where the US can easily enforce complete air superiority
Otherwise, they’re just a massive sitting defenseless duck against modern anti-ship missiles
China doesn’t have EUV yet, which will limit their semiconductor capabilities even as all the major foundries are shifting to GAA FETs.
It doesn’t really matter in terms of where Chinese technology is today, but Moore’s law isn’t dead yet.
China doesn’t have EUV yet, which will limit their semiconductor capabilities even as all the major foundries are shifting to GAA FETs.
Transistor density isn’t doubling every 2 years.
N3E is only 1.6x denser than N5 and that only apply to logic transistors. TSMC assumes logic makes up 50% of a hypothetical chip to arrive at 1.3x scaling. It wouldn’t come anywhere near close to actually doubling in real chips.
Analog and SRAM scaling has been decelerating for years. TSMC N3E has the same SRAM cell size as N5. Samsung 4nm has the same SRAM cell size as 7nm. Because they don’t scale with logic, every succeeding generation these components will take up more and more of the silicon hence AMD’s move to chiplets.
To some extent, SRAM scaling isn’t that limiting of a factor anymore. Current design practices call for tons of dark silicon and highly specialized elements, and the effective density of newer chips is still increasing rather rapidly.
A10 - 16nm TSMC - 3.28B/125mm2
A11 - 10nm TSMC - 4.3B/87mm2
A12 - 7nm TSMC - 6.9B/83mm2
A13 - 7nm TSMC - 8.5B/98mm2
A14 - 5nm TSMC - 11.8B/88m2
A15 - 5nm TSMC - 15B/107mm2
When they don’t get a node shrink, they just blow up the area to get similar transistor count scaling. Is the pace a doubling every 2 years? Not quite, but the effective pace is rather close.
Yes, there will be progress but that’s not really what Moore’s Law is about. Moore’s Law is not an observation that there will be progress eventually but an observation at specific rate of that progress. It’s not “transistors will double eventually”, or “transistors will increase somewhat every 2 years”.
With exponential growth, the tiniest decrease compounds to a major difference. 2 to the power of 3 is 8; the A16 has 16B transistors not 26B. That’s with the gains of the last DUV nodes, 16->10->7nm. EUV to EUV, 5nm to 3nm doesn’t match up to that. It seems transistor growth with EUV nodes is becoming linear so not really in line with the exponential growth of Moore’s Law.
The chips could be larger but flagship phones would have to become even more expensive, and physically larger to dissipate the extra heat. Dennard Scaling mattered more in practice than Moore’s Law ever did but that ended over a decade ago. At the end of the day, all the microarchitecture and foundry advances are there to deliver better performance for every succeeding generation and the rate of that is definitely decelerating.
In 3 years, the only Android chip that has a perceivable difference in performance from the Kirin 9000 is the 8 Gen 2, which cost $160 just for the chip. That performance difference isn’t even enough to be a selling point; the Mate 60 Pro is in the same price range as those 8 Gen 2 phones yet is still perfectly competitive in that market segment.
Technically, Moore’s Law relates to the cost curve for any given complexity, not necessarily the transistor count. That is, that the most efficient point of marginal cost/marginal performance approximately doubles every two years (implicitly, as the node shrinks).
The concern people have is that each node shrink isn’t delivering the same benefits as before… But is that true, or is the node-to-node cadence just rising? I pose that the shrinking cadence is simply a problem of lack of funding to the big fabs, not one of the technology becoming intrinsically infeasible.
In particular, I’d like to point out that the switch from planar to FinFET was also largely driven by the planar technology becoming rather infeasible for scaling at that time - we should see a similar transition to GAAFET soon and I’m tentatively hopeful for TSMC’s future GAAFET node densities after they ship N2 (which, itself, is barely a node shrink so much as it is a technology demonstrator).
Unless China can co-develop the EUV machine with the node itself, they will be very very late to this gap in foundry capability. If they can, they will only be very late.
EUIV is already responsible for one of the worse nationalist brain worm pandemics ever seen, I don’t even want to think about what an EUV could do.
Kirin 9000S is equivalent to the Snapdragon 865, GPU is equivalent to 888. Only mobile chip to support multi-threading, probably because it’s a modified server chip.
Really impressive. It’s faster than the Google Tensor G2 when power consumption is equalized. Tensor sucks but still the best that Google has to offer despite having no sanctions to deal with.
This is way better than the earlier domestic produced Chinese silicon I’ve seen (full sized desktop GPUs). The domestic GPUs seemed really bad so this a huge leap in the last 6 months. The GPU in this phone is probably better than the full size GPU I saw lol.
On a side note I want to know how well China’s AI chips are doing. Nvidia seems to have an impossible lead right now over AMD, AI model training seems like a huge priority for national security and tech so it would be very interesting to see how they’re doing compared to consumer chips.
Lmao it’s cool af they put a server CPU into a phone
Modern ARM processors are nuts. My three year old phone has a GPU, in raw tflop numbers at least (I know) more powerful than an Xbox One. 1.4 tflops
The overclocked Adreno 740 in the Samsung Galaxy S23 has the equivalent tflops to an Xbox Series S(3.8 I think).
This isn’t even mentioning Apple’s ARM laptop chips. M1 macs and that.
And I haven’t even mentioned CPUs.
Obviously comparing tflops across different architectures is more of a fun exercise than a meaningful comparison, but it’s still very interesting to see.
haha it’s cool to know these exponential leaps are being wasted what is, in terms of general use, an MP3 player glued to a flip-phone
ARM is the future for sure, the west will be seething. Nintendo is using an UNDERCLOCKED Nvidia tablet from 2014 as their main console and getting amazing results from it. As more developers move towards ARM platforms because of the apple jump, we’re gonna start seeing X86 fall.
I think you mean hyperthreading. Multi threading has been a thing on ARM mobile chips forever. It being based on server architecture has advantages like that, but also disadvantages in terms of thermals and efficiency at higher clock speeds. (It only clocks up to 2.6GHz, and energy efficiency and thermals really suffer at that clock speed). It has the largest vapour chamber I’ve seen on a phone, the size of the entire screen. Single core performance being right in between the 865 and 888 is still highly impressive. Less efficient than the 865, which was made on the older TSMC process, but more efficient than the 888 and 8 gen 1, which was on Samsungs process. The 8+ gen 1 and 8 gen 2 blow it out if the water on efficiency and raw power with the new TSMC process, but that’s to be expected.
ARM GPUs are a whole different ballgame compared to desktop GPUs. Raw numbers and benchmarks aren’t always the best to compare performance because of different levels of driver support for certain features. There’s the Mali approach, which treats the GPU and CPU as an APU with its approach, and has poor driver implementation of features such as dual source blending. Then you get Adreno, which goes for a more traditional approach in having the GPU and CPU more seperate, and has much better implementation on the driver side of things. This is why it’s always recommended to go for an Adreno GPU in GPU bound tasks on Android, like high performance game emulation (think PS2 games at 1080p or higher resolution) or maxing out genshin impact. I think Apple ARM GPUs are still based off of what PowerVR did back in the day, and PowerVR made very good ARM GPUs. Such as the ones in the early iPads, and the Samsung Galaxy S4 international model.
It’s positive that Huawei have gone for their own GPU implementation, Mali keeps dropping the ball, and Adreno needs competition. As for how it works in intensive real world tasks, only time will tell.
The less said about tensor, the better. It’s not even a Google design, it’s years old Samsung designs that even Samsung ditched. Purely a stop gap measure until Google can actually make their own chips.
Huawei’s Ascend AI processors are actually quite good. They were arguably world leading before the sanctions. There are lots of others but so far they are a big mediocre group without real standouts.
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So what’s an AI chip? Is it sort of like how graphics chips are specially made for graphing calculations? But for running, like, several tables of nodes?
If it’s true that they’re still a bit behind the cutting edge in lithography technology, then China is going to blow past the rest of the world in advanced semiconductors in the next 2-3 years. Wringing that kind of performance out of less precise lithography techniques means their chips will be better than western chips once they achieve parity in lithography technology, which will probably happen in the next 2-3 years. Before the end of the decade China is going to be decisively more technologically advanced than the US. It’s fucking over.
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That’s not a fair assessment! They also invest in strong education as well.
:joever:
we should start counting down to when the sabotage comes; china only has a handful of places that can make these chips and a well placed explosive; management suddenly jumping out of windows; or people demanding fair labor practices/pay should ground the whole thing a stop long enough to guarantee that china will never catch up.
There’s a conspiracy angle on the Malaysian Air 370 that it was the US stealing or eliminating a team of Chinese engineers involved in chip design. Flew it to Diego Garcia and then dumped the plane.
I didn’t realize that the chip embargo was just targeting 5G. What an absurd move. It’s a completely unimportant technology, why is that where you draw the line in the sand? And it’s not some incredibly advanced thing that’s hard to replicate, it’s just a communications standard embedded on a chip. The only thing this embargo does is force China to arbitrarily build this specific supply chain entirely in their own country. Which China’s rivals shouldn’t even want! Having supply chains spread across dozens of countries makes it harder for all of those countries to go to war
5G is a hugely important technology. It’s not just rinky dink cell phones streaming cat videos, it has massive implications for automation, like this mostly-automated port in China that uses it.
The only thing this embargo does is force China to arbitrarily build this specific supply chain entirely in their own country.
development of productive forces go brrrIt’s not just about 5g. Huawei Kirin chips used to be manufactured at TSMC on their process (which is the best in the world for ARM chips), that is not allowed to happen anymore. So Huawei had to engineer their own process for making the chips, and the fact that they’re only two or three years behind TSMC now, despite all the sanctions, is incredible. They’re even ahead of Google’s own ARM tensor chips (which are just rebadged old Samsung designs).
I’m so sick of hearing about 5G my god why is it in everyone’s mind so much? I’ve been able to stream a youtube video at 720 over 4g for a while now what do you need to do faster than that on a phone?? I’m a big tech nerd but this literally doesn’t affect me.
It’s really useful for machines that communicate with each other
Really important in the industrial and manufacturing industry
just more bandwidth or something else about it
More bandwidth and lower latency, which is really important if you’re trying to do telesurgery or controlling heavy machinery.
It may not affect you, but it does affect me. 5G helps greatly with congestion. We have a holiday home in a skiing resort in Switzerland and during peak season, 4G is practically unusable, even 720p cat videos barely load. Last year several 5G antennas were installed around the village and I now get speeds >300Mbit, allowing me to even comfortably work remotely from there. 5G has had a very positive impact on my life.
We have a holiday home in a skiing resort in Switzerland
Hey so did lenin, he hated it though
Y’all mfs are dunking on this fool but the problem and solution they’re describing is real.
Congestion reduces the bandwidth available to devices and their latency as the infrastructure shuffles packets to try and make everyone happy.
Now we might say “good, fuck em!” When those devices are tied to a ski resort for the wealthy but that same problem rears its head in dense urban environments.
Using 5g to get better volume of data in cities neatly sidesteps one of its major flaws: it can’t penetrate anything. No need to stick to bands that aren’t readily absorbed or reflected if you can just put up another radio and rely on the multi ghz handsets to filter the noise.
The whole point of America trying to limit 5g radio chips from China is to prevent the wireless enabling high density development technology from reaching the global rival that’s doing high density development.
The reason it’s radio chipsets and not processors (what the 9000 is) is that you need a fast radio ic to handle all the weird fucked up noise on the 5g band both because it’s used for everything, not just cell phones, and because the use case of a handset is gonna have massive noise anyway due to the reflectivity and absorbtion in the target band.
If you wanted to prevent a country from making effective use of wireless handsets you wouldn’t keep them from using badass arm flagship chips, you’d keep joes good radio chip out of their hands because without that their cpu is just gonna be burning cores to figure out what the hell is coming in off the antenna.
E: also, turn off 5g. All that shit about absorbtion doesn’t just apply to buildings. There’s a reason why all the military radio operators working next to huge transmitters heard voices and have a specific smattering of disorders.
Yeah, I mean, even just around big sporting events in US cities, I’ve noticed terrible bandwidth on cellular data. It’s not a niche problem.
Your edit confuses me. Is 5G a solution or something to be concerned about?
It’s both.
On average everybody is already over the rf safe exposure limit and the high band and fr2 ranges of 5g are more energetic than the stuff we get exposed to every day with wifi.
It’s hard to learn about rf exposure effects because everyone wants to turn it into a Get the Facts situation. I worry about it because osha considers its own limits “unenforceable”.
5G helps greatly with congestion
Finally, my smartphone can replace my nasal spray as well!
Do you have employees by any chance?
There was no good reason for other people to be rude to your reply.
sick of hearing about 5G my god why is it in everyone’s mind so much?
Because number must go up
You already have 4G so nobody can sell it to you.
The gadgets industry has to loudly proclaim the greatness of the next thing so they can get that bag. It doesn’t matter whether it’s incremental or genuinely transformative.
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I didn’t realize that the chip embargo was just targeting 5G. What an absurd move. It’s a completely unimportant technology, why is that where you draw the line in the sand?
Seriously? Because 5G is how we spread covid, silly!
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the de-regulation from 40 years ago means that american consumer carriers are always decades behind and that was okay until they saw that made huawaei so far ahead of them, so american the carriers employed their leverage with the trump administration to slow down huawei and it’s been working; american carriers and their ecosystems brands have been catching up on the world stage to huawei since the embargo and china is doing its best to keep hauwei afloat with this new chip.
it’s all of the moneyed technology focused interests in the world versus hauwei, so huawei is going to lose if china doesn’t step up more; but if china does too much to keep huawei alive, they run the strong chance of pissing off more of the rich and then all of the moneyed interest in the world (tech or not) will be against china and china would lose in that situation.
China will collapse any day now
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US National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan said during a White House press briefing Tuesday that the US needs “more information about precisely its character and composition” to determine if parties bypassed American restrictions on semiconductor exports to create the new chip.
“They couldn’t have possibly made this, they had to have stolen it from us somehow.”
I wonder how long before they do the classic thing of saying 👽s made it for them. Just like how there was no way the ancient Egyptians built the pyramids on their own so it had to be
.white people never invented anything and Tesla was an alien. You heard it here first but more and more people will be saying this.
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I wanna make one thing very clear on American innovation:
a lotta yall still dont get it
ape holders can use multiple slurp juices on a single ape
so if you have 1 astro ape and 3 slurp juices you can create 3 new apes
Tonight’s slurp juice mint event is essentially a minting event for both Lab Monkes and Special Forces
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Communism is when iphone and now the CIA is losing their shit
On the one hand, Trisolarian fail.
On the other hand, if you know a major plot point in The Dark Forest, then you know why China shouldn’t be getting over-confident at this stage.
Thankfully, the Chinese leadership have all read the Three Body Problem series so they know what to expect.
What’s the US gonna do in this parable, transmit coordinates for Taiwan to Sirius? Is China Earth? I hate these hard-to-interpret comparisons.
Elon Musk has already done the birdsite a dual vector foil and the whole internet is frankly under threat
He has gone two dimensional himself already
Major Book 2 spoiler
During the Crisis Era (about 200 years after the events in the first book), Earth had surpassed the Trisolarians in building a much larger and faster fleet despite the technology sanctions by the Trisolarians. The Trisolarians sent out a Droplet towards Earth, which was interpreted as a Trisolarian “gift” and a sign that the Trisolarians are about to concede defeat and seek friendship with Earth instead. The Droplet then ended up annihilating the entire Earth space fleet (the Doomsday Battle).
An apt analogy of the Droplet today is the invisible yet massive global financial institutions that serve the US - the dollar hegemony - which if utilized properly, can annihilate the world’s economy and take out the Chinese semiconductor industry (and many other things) all at once. This is also why de-dollarization is at the forefront of the “multipolar” fight today, because nobody would be able to escape from the weaponized dollar eventually.
So yeah, the US might send out a fake friendship gift soon to China only to turn out to be some deadly financial weapon.
honestly this just sounds like the trojan horse
I’ve legit thought about creating a peace enjoying Trisolaran online identity someone really should
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Also, even if the use did have concrete advantages, the us has chased so many chinese scientists and engineers out of the us. Those people still exist.
“China” didn’t create the smartphone, a Chinese company did. And we won’t be able to buy it or use it.
Same difference. A company isn’t a separate entity from the country it resides in.
You probably can buy it, but it’s really expensive.
The Secure Equipment Act of 2021 forced the FCC to blacklist Huawei from certifying any new phones. So they won’t be able to import them for sale and it would technically be a crime to try to use one.
You can definitely use one lol. They have phones for sale on Amazon, on their official Amazon store page.
Did you read the reviews? “I can’t activate this phone in USA”. And it’s not the official store, usually it’s a third party selling it. I’m not making this up, you can’t use them.
You can buy and use a Huawei phone, but it will not have access to Google services (unless you root it? Idk). Other Chinese phone manufacturers are fine though lol
Looks like all I need is to be gay then
It’s a synecdoche.
anyone else unable to access any of these archive sites recently? I’m in firefox and always just get the captcha page infinitely, no matter how many times I successfully fill it out.
Try a different domain: https://archive.ph/r8YuY
this one worked. .is, .vn, today, and maybe one other are all broken for me still
.is auto redirected me to .ph I think.
I never have any problems. You using a VPN?
That picture of the two presidents standing next to each other is great. You can see Xi thinking “I’m too old for this shit,” and Biden living “I’m too old for this shit.”
