“Wow, so Bill Clinton AND Trump get locked up? What’s the downside?”
One of Trump’s defense arguments for presidential immunity for any action was that if presidents didn’t have it, Bush could be prosecuted for misleading Congress about WMDs, and Obama could be prosecuted for drone strikes against civilians.
Yes please.
You mean we should’ve given Nixon his well deserved punishment for treason, instead of a pardon? And we might have set an example to others, and be on a very different timeline? Fuuuuuuu
I want this so bad
One of the biggest improvements of Lemmy over reddit is that people here are willing to take an objective look at Obama instead of falling for his charisma and defending him to the death like MAGAs
When did Obama order drone strikes against civilians?
Or is this just more hyperbole over civilian casualties occurring during military operations? Part of ongoing the effort to “both sides” the genocide Hamas committed, maybe?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/daniel-hale-drones-leaked-documents-b1891826.html
“With drone warfare, sometimes nine out of 10 people killed are innocent,” Hale said on Tuesday. “You have to kill part of your conscience to do your job.”
“I am here because I stole something that was never mine to take — precious human life,” Hale said. “I couldn’t keep living in a world in which people pretend that things weren’t happening that were. Please, your honour, forgive me for taking papers instead of human lives.”
So you admit one of ten is not innocent and therefore a valid target. Nine civilians died when the non-civilian that was the target was hit.
Civilians were explicitly not targeted. What was said above was a lie.
Just more false equivalency between a group that actually does target civilians (Hamas) and everyone else.
What kind of person puts effort into making “both sides” arguments about actual genocide?
People are so desperate to make excuses for the genocide that Hamas committed that it’s getting kind of ridiculous, don’t you think?
Civilians were explicitly not targeted.
By that logic if we drone strike a school shooter, the children who die in the drone strike are not intended targets. It’s actually the fault of the school shooter, not the state, that those children died in a drone strike. And that would be incredibly ridiculous, of course it’s the state at fault for killing those children. They did the drone strike.
What are you talking about? I’m sure analogy sounded good in your head, but it only indicates you understand nothing about a military operation.
In a civilian context you don’t need to first invade a country so you can have boots on the ground so you can send someone into the school. Invading a country will result in a huge number of civilian casualties before you can send soldiers into that school to take out the target. Is that what you want?
There is basically no probability that you’re sending soldiers into an ambush, there’s no probability that the school is rigged to explode as soon as the soldier opens the door when it’s a school shooting.
It’s actually more the opposite. Terrorists have been known to blow up schools do you understand that? So if you have just one opportunity to take out that terrorist and you don’t do it, and next week that same terrorist blows up a school and 50 children die, did you make the right decision?
These kinds of scenarios are a constant trolley cart problem. No matter what you do, civilians are going to die. You’re just ignorantly calling the guy operating the track switch of genocide triggers the switch and you also accuse him of genocide if he doesn’t trigger the switch, you’re just someone accusing everyone of genocide constantly which means that word doesn’t mean anything anymore. That only benefits the people that actually commit genocide.
What are you talking about? I’m sure analogy sounded good in your head, but it only indicates you understand nothing about a military operation.
True, terrorists have been known to blow up schools. Hundreds of them in fact
I’ll defer to Israeli leadership on this one…
Prime Minister Netanyahu
They (Israel/IDF) are committed to completely eliminating this evil from the world,”
and
You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. And we do remember.
and
I don’t call them human animals because that would be insulting to animals
“Defence” minister Galant
We are fighting human animals, and we are acting accordingly
Kallner…
Nakba to the enemy now! This day is our Pearl Harbour. We will still learn the lessons. Right now, one goal: Nakba! A Nakba that will overshadow the Nakba of 48. A Nakba in Gaza and a Nakba for anyone who dares to join!
Atbaryan…
erasing all of Gaza from the face of the Earth. Gaza needs to be wiped out.
Halevi…
goals for this victory. One, there is no more Muslim land in the land of Israel. After we make it the land of Israel, Gaza should be left as a monument, like Sodom.”
Why did Israel fund Hamas’s successful effort to displace the secular moderates?
Uhh… yeah Hamas committed real genocide. You see when it’s actual genocide and not edgy teenage internet keyboard warrior “genocide” people are going to call it evil and completely destroy the evil people responsible. The evil people responsible are Hamas. This war is termed the Israel-Hamas war by the Israelis. Hamas are the evil people that have committed genocide.
The war is termed things other than the Israel-Hamas war by propaganda channels in an attempt to characterize the war as being against the Palestinian people. But that’s not Israel doing that, it’s propaganda channels that are opposed to Israel that are doing that.
There are members of Hamas who went into villages and massacred everyone they could find. Men, women, children, babies. Decapitated people. Played around with the severed heads like they were toys. They did these things under orders from their commanders. These specific people that did these horrific acts were referred to as “human animals”.
The propaganda channels you’re subscribed to probably left out some details on that, didn’t they? That’s all they have to do, just don’t mention a few specifics and people will jump to the conclusion that someone was saying it about an entire ethnicity. But it’s false. Someone referred to the specific people that committed the most horrific acts imaginable as being animals. Personally I prefer to use terms like “psychopath” or on occasion “monster” to describe people capable of doing the things that were done on October 7, but it’s not all that offensive to me to call people like that “animals” since those kinds of acts are inhuman. How do you describe the people that went into villages and massacred men, women, and children? Freedom fighters?
I don’t have time to go through all of the propaganda you’ve collected via your “internet research”. But I think it should be plain to see that you’ve been misled on a lot of things.
You didn’t answer why Israel backed Hamas’s rise to power - it’s not like Hamas’s rhetoric has meaningfully since Israel helped them displace the secular moderates - they knew who they were backing, so why did they do it?
Let’s cut through your nonsense with 2 basic questions:
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What is the definition of genocide you’re using?
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In what way was October 7th bad in a way Israel hasn’t been worse since?
Israel have the means to commit a genocide (Israeli officials have even been talking about nuking them) they’ve talked about genociding Palestine for a while now, manufactured the pretext in supporting Hamas, and now they’ve begun their genocide in earnest.
Hamas are terrorists, would love to genocide those that pushed them to power, but armed with small arms, a handful of rockets and an airforce consisting of a single paraglider, they lack the means to take down a nuclear power with F35s, backed by the US.
Bonus points: instead of whining vaguely about what you assume is my media diet (when I did nothing but quote officials from the regime you’re defending), where am factually wrong?
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How slow of a reader are you that you can’t read 5 quotes but have time to barf out Israeli propaganda all day.
Obama killed US citizens overseas by drone strike, with no trial. These were murders by the state, if you believe in due process.
Before we continue, do I take this to mean you’re cool with killing people who are not citizens of the US? It’s only when it’s a citizen of the US that takes a hellfire missile to the face that you have an issue with? You’re conceding that the other drone strikes are okey dokey because they didn’t involve US citizens?
Please change your name to SpaceSealion
lol
Imagine being this retarded
so, what happens… if I mash that thing multiple times?
also, is it pressure sensitive? if I mash it harder… ?
Can I stick a robot to spam it 24/7/365/9999?
…. Let’s add maintenance windows to, you know, make sure it stays working. First sunday every month?
You want to perform maintenance during football? Can’t we just buy two and do in-service maintenance during the week?
This kind of depends on the original question.
what happens?
I mean, if there needs to be lube or something… and in any case switching over requires some down time…
What kind of button mashing bot are you building that you are worried about lubricating your actuators? It’s really not that hard to implement a lube tube that dispenses a small amount on a set frequency. Then you just have to monitor lube levels, tune your lube tube, and replace consumables whenever.
I’d be more worried about maintaining the button, to be honest. That’s a black box that we have limited control over, it’s a single point of failure and it’s mission critical. Bad combination.
… “actuator”… is that what we’re calling it now?
Pressing it starts an investigation. We don’t know what happens when it’s released.
I would expect mashing it would have one of two outcomes. Either you have a bunch of very short lived investigations, or you have so many active investigations that they start tripping over each other like lemmings in a ditch.
The right solution is to place a heavy weight on it one time, and then protect it to prevent the weight from being moved.
The right solution is to place a heavy weight on it one time, and then protect it to prevent the weight from being moved.
Iza button. no need for weight. Get some light weigh, UV cured epoxy resin.
in any case if that’s all that happens, I think we need some expanded functionality. Maybe some electrodes… ?
It only starts the investigation.
But you can restart it whenever some rich slob tries to block it.
Boring.
Guess I need to build my own button.
I like the joke that puts them in hell where Trump is forever giving Clinton a blowjob. This way we can know they are both miserable forever.
Clinton said this (12-14 years old when she died) mummy was attractive, so clearly his standards are pretty low.
Trump said he would fuck his daughter if they weren’t related, so there’s that.
Make federal investigation in to any potential wrongdoing a retirement for holding any rejected federal office. Staff an entire branch of the government who’s only job it is to investigate elected officials.
The FBI used to hold sting operations for corrupt elected officials. They had to stop because they found like 70% of them to be corrupt.
If they kept at it, would the number not go down?
No, the number of very rich and/or very clumsy FBI directors would go up.
Would? I guess it did.
ABSCAM. Interesting read.
i assume… “requirement” and “elected” instead of “retirement” and “rejected”?
Probably prudent, but then how do we select this branch of government and protect it from becoming corrupt?
B-b-but…
B-b-but…
B-b-but… then how would you politicize that!?
Unfortunately some people aren’t merely dumb, they are outright evil:-(.
“requirement”, right? Unless you mean they should be forced to retire if they are investigated.
Staff an entire branch of the government who’s only job it is to investigate elected officials.
Yeah, and we could call it the Congress or something!
This exact conversation happened to me IRL once - and it was about a decade ago. The shock expression of the woman who realized I wasn’t gong to protect Bill -hell anyone on my side- match my shocked expression a second later when I realized she was trying to set up a M.A.D. scenario about child sex traffickers. These people are gross.
Yep.
They can’t fathom that democrats arent as corrupt and vile as they are.
Thats why they project so much.
They are convinced they are doing X, so Democrats must be doing X too.
BUT also, Hunter Biden gets prosecuted for any crime he’s committed
push push push push
That’s the thing about MAGAts. They assume that because they will circle the wagons and defend to their last breath everyone who bends the knee to Orange Man, or of course him himself, that Democrats must obviously be seething at the idea that anyone even tangentially connected to Biden face a day in court.
I like asking them why they aren’t defending Hunter Biden against that gun charge what with blah blah government overreach blah blah second amendment rights…
Bill already has done irreparable damage to american democracy. Why would anyone but an establishment dem come to his defense?
That’s cute how you equate clinton and trump.
Bro, where in the actual fuck are you getting that from?
Weid they would think Twitter is the only place where that happens. Happens pretty much everywhere.
So you hate the universe and all other parallel dimensions!!! Well why don’t you go back to where you came from!!!
Dem voters would likely sell out all buf a few of the ones they really really like. Bernie or Newsom I guess but I don’t live in their states.
Here people “like” Fetterman and recently that has even struggled. People do not give a fuck about Josh Shapiro
“sell out” is a weird way to talk about having principles
We/They are fickle. Look at how they feel about their candidates. Look at the options they overwhelmingly vote for.
Your username is aaaaaaaaalmost right.
Criminals must face charges on both sides, Trump or Clinton or Newsom I don’t give a fuck.
Fetterman’s population started to fall off pretty quickly when he started backing Israel’s genocide out of nowhere. I dunno whether he was hiding his power level on that nonsense up to this point, or if it’s literal brain damage, but it’s no good.
Of course, the broader issue is that Republicans are motivated by culture war nonsense, fear and disgust, and many know they’re engaging in dishonest team sports, so they assume the Dems are too.
Not everyone thinks popularity is the only consideration on issues, you know?
Ever consider the possibility that Fetterman’s stance on Israel is actually based on facts? Is it possible you may only be looking at what’s popular (as determined by social media algorithms) while Fetterman is considering things you’re not? Is it possible for the popular opinion to be wrong?
Is it possible that Fetterman, who you think is right on all the other issues, may also be right about Israel even while the popular opinion is wrong?
I’ll wait for you to consult with the social media algorithms to determine what the most popular responses to these questions are.
Believe it or not, I think genocide is a bad thing - a concept I assume you’re incapable of grasping given your implied defence of Israel’s actions.
His stance on Israel is unpopular because it’s monstrous - it’s not monstrous because it’s unpopular. This is a deeply stupid take in defence of a genocide.
Oh look - a peek at your comment history shows you characterising Hamas’s actions as a genocide in the last 2 hours - you’re a real John Wayne Gacy-type - a murderous, monstrous fucking clown that just loves dead kids.
Have you ever considered the possibility that what Israel is doing is not actually genocide?
See on the internet you can be siloed off to the point you’re only ever hearing people say the same thing over and over until you start to believe it’s true.
I see that’s it’s now popular to say that Israel is committing genocide. Have you considered that’s part of an attempt to create a false equivalency narrative to claim make it seem like what Hamas did on October 7 isn’t all that bad because “both sides”?
At Palestinian protests that people like to go to for a social gathering many times there are people cosplaying as Hamas guys. How do you make it palatable to people that there are people cosplaying as genocidal psychopaths at the rallies they enjoy attending? Well you gotta normalize genocide. Israel is doing genocide too! I’m in another thread where people are claiming that Obama committed genocide as well.
Maybe Fetterman just isn’t going along with these attempts to normalize genocide. The Palestinian movement is a violent movement with a lot of antisemitism problems that hasn’t made any real effort to disassociate itself from the genocidal actions of Hamas. Violent, antisemitic, anti-democracy movements that are all about the blood and soil “from the river to the sea” type shit have been popular in the past, you know. And they tend to accuse others of the crimes that they do. But some of us have read enough history to understand that it’s not a good idea to buy into these kinds of movements.
Hamas is an anti-democracy antisemitic group that has committed genocide. They accuse Israel of committing genocide. And you believe them simply because it’s a popular thing to do?
Have you ever considered the possibility that what Israel is doing is not actually genocide?
Over 10,000 children have been killed in Gaza. 10,000 kids, teenagers, infants, preteens, toddlers Dead. Any conflict with that many literal children killed is clearly fucked up beyond reason and highly likely to be officially classified as a genocide
You do understand that civilian casualties have happened in nearly every war in history? You’re just claiming that all war is genocide. But then we need to come up with a term for when a group deliberately target civilians which is what Hamas did and Israel is not doing. Or maybe we just continue to describe what Hamas did as genocide and what Israel is doing as a war. Because we already have the necessary words needed to describe the distinction between a group that is deliberately targeting and killing civilians (genocide) and a group that is in conflict with another combatant and that conflict causes civilian casualties (war).
Now I understand that many people have spent most of the formative life thinking Israel is the bad guys and Palestine is the good guys. But things are so black and white. Netanyahu is an asshole, but most Israelis are good people. The children that were murdered by Hamas did nothing wrong.
Most Palestinians are good people, but have been living under the oppressive government of Hamas for so long many have been radicalized and antisemitic. Hamas is straight up genocidal psychopaths. Hamas is obviously bad for Israel but is also an oppressive government that for the last decade and half has indoctrinated people from a young age to make them capable of genocide. We don’t like genocide, right? So Hamas has to be eliminated or at least diminished to the point where it’s no longer able to hold power. Then Hamas won’t be able to commit future genocide. Which is what we want right?
So how do you go about preventing Hamas from committing future genocide? Ask them nicely? You see the problem with the kind of psychopaths that actually commit genocide is sure they’ll agree to a ceasefire, but the goal is to survive, regroup and commit genocide again. So how do we remove Hamas from the equation? War is actually the only option. Wars do result in civilian war. This is a war that was started because of the genocide Hamas committed. Hamas are a group of psychopaths that don’t care about the deaths of Palestinian civilians. In fact they consider them to be Shahids, so civilian deaths are a good thing to them. So a war against a group that wants their own civilians to die is obviously going to have a lot of civilian casualties. They built hundreds of miles of tunnels to keep themselves safe, not to keep the 10,000 kids, teenagers, infants, preteens, toddlers you mentioned safe.
It’s an odd thing isn’t it? It’s Israel’s responsibility to keep Palestinian civilians safe, but nobody even considers what Hamas’ responsibility is in terms of keeping Palestinian civilians safe. Why is this? Because we all know that Hamas is a monster. But we also want to keep this monster alive? Why?
I’ve considered the possibility that what Israel are doing isn’t genocide - then I picked up a dictionary and the UN definition, and that cleared things up nicely.
Where do you get your definition of genocide?
Lmao
Imagine supporting terrible people just because they have ® next to their name.
How to make cartoon button real?
Smashing that no one is above the law button like a boss.
A wise woman once said “Burn them all!”
I thought that was said by General Douglas “Nuke Manchuria” MacArthur.
Are you saying both sides are part of the giant pedo elite cabal? No way!
TBF with the information available an investigation would be more likely to clear any doubts on Clinton than it would incriminate him.
Pretty much the only interaction between the two would be using the Epstein’s Private Plane on a trip to several charity medical sites across Africa.
If there was more than that I’d love to know about it, though, so hell yeah press the button.
They’re all scum and criminals. Some more than others. I won’t defend garbage politicians who represent my interests, the same way I won’t defend garbage politicians that don’t.
If they’re garbage and criminals, they should be prosecuted regardless of what they stand for or vote for. Nobody is above the law.
I don’t know what people don’t get about all people being equal, but that’s what it is. We are all citizens, we are all responsible for our own actions, and if we do the illegal, then we should face the consequences of that action regardless of who we are, or what we do, or how much money/influence/whatever, we may possess.
I know it doesn’t work that way. Some people get away with shit constantly because they’re rich/influential/whatever, but that reality doesn’t impact my perspective on the matter. They should be prosecuted, whether they are or not is another issue entirely. Given the choice to have people investigated or not for crimes, I say go for it. If the people convicted are those that I may have voted for or supported in the past, then I’m glad they’ve been convicted and removed. They probably didn’t deserve my support, but I can only operate on information I have, not information of what might be true…
It’s also worth noting that people with undisclosed skeletons in their closet are blackmailable. So even if they represented your interests in the past that all ends once someone puts them on a leash. This is why even if you make no moral judgements there are pragmatic reasons to not have such people in office.
To be fair, that’s pretty much every politician. The whole thing is a swamp and IMO, we need to eject all of them into the sun and start over.
Shocking the button for more press per-press.
Did you pull up the movie to screencap that?? That’s some effort!
Actually no, I tried to find it on Getyarn but it didn’t have a dedicated clip, so I just found that screenshot via image search (and it was from Twitter hosting I guess, so I hope it loads for everyone).
I absolutely could have done that though, but if I did it’d be hosted here on Kbin and as a .png with reduced colors (example, though I wanted to re-word that right after I made it) and I don’t mind doing that but I always need to sift through my own comments to find reusable images like that I’ve made.
This one might be better as a gif/webm though, that’d be a bit different getting there though.
It’s rough when GetYarn/YT/etc. don’t have the clip, or there’s no gif yet.
Me on SNES.
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The only reason I’m not okay with Hunter Biden is because it was a witch hunt.
They had no evidence he did anything wrong yet started the investigation anyway just because of his last name.
That’s not a corrupt person charged feel good story it’s a big brother is watching story
My favorite thing about Hunter Biden is it demonstrates that Joe is a career politician who’s actually clean enough that they have to make up shit about his grown kid. At least they aren’t going after Beau.
It turns out the laptop wasn’t made up.
It turns out the FBI lied when labeling it Russian Propaganda.
It turns our the “10% for the big guy” email is genuine.
It turns out the big guy is Joe.
Citation needed
Despite persistent allegations that the laptop contents indicated corruption by Joe Biden, a joint investigation by two Republican Senate committees released in September 2020 did not find wrongdoing by him, nor did a Republican House Oversight committee investigation by November 2023.[12][13][14][15][16]
Just admit to yourself that you fell prey to a Russian psyop to destabilize their adversary (us). It’s not that difficult, or even far-fetched, compared to even a fifth of the drivel coming out of far-right media.
Citation for what part? The 4 points I raised above are not “made up shit”.
Your decision to add a 5th point no way negates the previous 4. Why bring Russia into this? Did they supply Hunter’s drugs on the day he submitted his laptop for repairs?
Why was Joe to receive 10% of Hunter’s deal? Can you answer that?
It turns out the FBI lied when labeling it Russian Propaganda.
You brought Russia into it, my man.
And you can’t seriously still believe the whole thing, can you? It was a shit show from the very beginning. Starts off with a blind republican shop owner who even said “I’m not sure it was Hunter Biden”. Then months of absolutely no official handling. Tons of stuff that doesn’t make any sense…like why would someone of the upper echelons, like Hunter Biden, personally (not an assistant) drop off a laptop at an unauthorized (as in, not Apple certified) third-party repair shop, containing evidence of his dads corruption, during his dads election run, and then never pick it up?
Thats like half a dozen highly suspect things that happened before he even called the FBI, which didn’t come till after he held it for three months. And he only contacted them because of Giuliani’s trumped up allegations of corruption in Ukraine, yet he felt that the information on the drives was sensitive enough to make several copies for himself before that? There’s a couple more.
Then the FBI doesn’t respond for a couple months so he starts emailing congressmen, assumedly Republicans, and not one responded (I’m guessing their bullshit-detectors were spinning full-tilt). Then when he gets in contact with Giuliani/Costello, over a year after contacting the FBI, he gets a response.
So what happens? Giuliani, bastion of reputability that he is (/s), contacts the New York Post, the pinnacle of sound investigative journalism (/s, it is actually classified as a Tabloid, and is owned by Murdoch, who is also highly right-biased), and tells them what he knows.
The NY Post gets a copy to look at. Washington Post reaches out to them and Bannon asking for a copy to analyze independently. After all, if we’re going to have a far-right rag investigate corruption on a Democrat, it’s only makes sense that a slight-left journal gets a chance to at least fact-check them. Otherwise the whole thing has absolutely no credibility.
And of course, Bannon and NY Post refused. Why? If they have something, a left-leaning journal verifying it would be huge. And even if they are lying, they can just play the same Uno Reverse card they have up their sleeve for every other time they get caught with their pants down.
Ultimately when WaPo gets it, the first thing they see is that it had been tampered with, and that additional folders were created prior to it being handed to NYP, but long after the store took custody.
Through all this, even though several other emails can be confirmed legitimate through cryptographic signatures and finding received copies of the emails, not one of the juicy ones can. Not just by WaPo, but also by NyPo, and three republican-led congressional committees.
You fell for a hoax. Admit it. It should be easy, we’re dealing with conmen and serial liars like Trump and Giulliani. How the hell you, or anybody else, fell for their used car salesman schtick several times completely blows my mind, and honestly and makes me fear for the future of humanity.
Your summary is pretty good. However, pointing out that Trump and Giulliani are liars who can’t handle evidence properly, doesn’t make the suspicious email disappear. Nor does it allow the FBI to claim Russian Propaganda.
A few answers and clarifications below:-
You brought Russia into it
No. I deliberately excluded Russia. What reason is there for you and the FBI to conclude any Russian involvement with the President’s son’s private email?
why would Hunter Biden drop off a laptop containing evidence of his dads corruption?
Drugs. Also it was only one email in a whole hard drive relating to Joe.
he felt that the information on the drives was sensitive enough to make several copies for himself before that?
Backing up drives is standard practice when repairing a PC.
Ultimately when WaPo gets it, the first thing they see is that it had been tampered with,
The FBI had the first copy and it was untampered. CBS experts also found no signs of tampering
Through all this, even though several other emails can be confirmed legitimate through cryptographic signatures and finding received copies of the emails, not one of the juicy ones can.
You fell for a hoax.
You did, if you doubt the following:-
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“10 for the big guy” email is real.
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No connections to Russia.
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“If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear” soundin mfer
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Would you mind sharing the original meme that you use as template, please? Looks like the kind of stuff I want to keep close for future memes.
Hahahahhahaha riiight!!! Hahahhahha
You guys really think the right cares if Trump is implicated in any Epstein stuff? I’m sure if it were up to them, they would smash that button if it let Assange free to say whatever he’s got.
The right doesn’t care at all of any of Trumps crimes. He could do the whole 5th avenue pew pew and wouldn’t lose a vote.
