Please explain why or why not
If posting wasn’t praxis, Re**it wouldn’t have nuked Chapo.
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It boosts morale
Who knows? It probably doesn’t hurt, and propaganda works; Folks will see this shit, get pissed off about it, go read about what happened so they can epicly own a commie, and end up picking up The Jakarta Method or something.
yes
Can you please explain why ?
Memes were the first time I was positively introduced to communism. Over the course of a couple years I started actually engaging in theory as a result. So yes memes have some positive effect.
no
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Yes.
Memes are how ideas are normalised now, like it or not. Communities like /r/historymemes have done more to damage communists than anything else in the last 30 years. But by the same token, r/cth and subsequent spaces that became its children like genzedong and hexbear have created tens of thousands of new communists.
Everyone here says only material conditions convert someone to communism but the truth is that material conditions only create the material basis for someone to be receptive to communism. Something still has to reach them.
The online space has significantly more capability to reach and educate people than any other space. Converting people from the online space into offline contributions is a step the movement hasn’t mastered yet, but it will get better at it.
surprisingly enough, r/philosophymemes is a very marxist sub that dunks on liberals a lot
I think in the technical sense it actually does, in that it provides a low-stakes entry point for radicalization.
However, I think making and sharing memes and content also has the insidious effect of feeling like productive work and can give people a false sense of satisfaction that they’re part of a left movement when in fact they’ve never left their house.
I think that’s why so many people here gave a knee-jerk response to answer “no”, despite many being radicalized by people sharing this same content. It is technically true that it matters, but if that’s all you do then you’re doing so little as to round out down to zero.
Beautifully said. I wrote something similar and deleted it after I spiraled into a rant about how my options for actual meaningful praxis in the imperial core have largely been limited to feeding people, and even that gets harder and harder as time goes
I thought we all became communists thanks to memes. I did
Yes. If someone can make you laugh over theoretically sacred subjects (9/11, Hillary getting rekt by Trump, Jan 6, etc,etc), then memes might trigger introspection. 8-10 years ago (maybe more?) I knew I was done with Western-styled, imperialistic politics but I pretty much chuckled my way into seeing things from an ML perspective, which forced me to read theory and rethink nearly everything.
Posting is praxis.
Frankly, if it keeps more proletarians from dying deaths of despair, it’s worthwhile for that alone. Before we can win the world, we must stay alive another day.
Can you build a car without a chassis? No. But if you have a chassis and nothing else, all you have is a piece of useless metal.
Memes, social media, forums, podcasts, videos… this is how you reach a lot of people (but not everyone) in 2023. It’s an important part of building a movement. But it’s just one part that’s useless unless combined with the other parts - organizing, understanding theory, applying both those to local conditions, etc etc.
We need to occupy online spaces, because otherwise all that other people will see are lib and reactionary memes. It might sound ridiculous, but we shouldn’t dismiss things like that as just silly jokes, think of it as a form of propaganda and of normalizing/spreading leftist ideas to the public consciousness. I think we can all remember how in 2016 memes turned a bunch of teenagers into fascists. Obviously, you should also organize irl, but posting is not entirely useless.
A meme brought me to the Chapo subreddit which pushed me left. Odds are I would have turned left from another path, but I think sharing leftist content has some value.
I ended up in here with you bastards by googling “wtf is a chapotraphouse”
In this essay, I will
It’s agitprop, not organizing.
Everybody learns about communism from passionate writers so everyone wants to emulate them. Organizing is hard work and no one learned from it so they don’t wanna do it.
Hard and dangerous work that could land you in prison and take away any job prospects that you’ll ever have
I still got my job and so far the fed hasn’t really given a shit where I’m working
that just means your organizing isnt effective
wait until it is
No, it means you’re just using your paranoia to justify your inactivity.
Feds only really go after you if you’re a part of the national security apparatus and in proximity to state secrets as you’re an employee at-risk of deliberately leaking sensitive information.
For example, only pissed off management and shareholders will be after your ass if you’re a part of one of the Chevy automotive plants because you’d probably be there educating and organizing the workforce to seize their rights, whereas if you try the same thing at an Oshkosh plant, the DHS and FBI will be ordering the management to terminate and blacklist your ass because you are too close to sensitive information on American armed forces mechanized armor schematics.
why are you assuming i meant not to do it
you are agreeing with me
Shut up nerd
less posting more organizing
100%
Why risk your well being when you can just read stuff and talk about it.
The real question is how to ensure the well being of all people so we are able to organize without that danger.
I would think it helps. The more I’ve been exposed to ML ideals through instagram and such, the more I’ve been pulled towards it. Wouldn’t it count as agitprop, anyway? May not be the most effective action but wouldn’t say it’s completely useless.
