Maybe this deserves its own post but I’ll just put it here, it is one of his replies in that thread
Still thinking about how the people of Ukraine are simultaneously teenagers being sent to die (by me) and filthy Nazis who deserve it anyway. So much mental gymnastics to avoid the most basic moral questions, like “who is invading who”
I mean, would it be better if the teenage soldiers commanded by the Nazis went on to continue to commit the same crimes?
There is literaly nothing inconsistent about the Ukrainian population being victims of the Nazis part of the Ukrainian population because as it turns out the Ukrainian nazis literally got into power through a coup, what the fuck is a maidan anyway right?
But anyway the most obvious and offending part of this shit post is imagine the date is April 1945 and you are suddenly worried and pearl clutching if the Nazi government, the SS and Hitler really deserve to be exterminated, I mean it is not like there was an SS Panzer division literally made of mostly teenagers anyway right?
History began in 2022 has a different meaning here.
Good lord that triggered an adrenaline surge just now because this statement actually pops up every now and then and you just know WHY its brought up but then a lot of liberals will go “what an interesting ethical quandary 🤔🤔🤔” .
I have never seen it fail to derail a conversation.
So much mental gymnastics to avoid the most basic moral questions, like “who is invading who”
This is just bad faith. There has been so much ink spilled about NATO aggression and the material causes of the war that it could fill an entire library. We have spend over a year meticulously citing our sources and supporting our claims.
All for this dipshit just to go “la-la-la I can’t hear you!” and have a meltdown about context being Russian propaganda. He refuses to listen. He refuses to learn. His brain just shuts down and he goes on and on smugly bloviating about the same tired thought-terminating cliches like a broken record.
We’ve addressedd the “who is invading who” question a thousand times over. We’ve explained again and again why such an infantile framing of the war is incompatible with any serious discussion of it.
Just because you ignore the answers doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
There does seem to be a large cultural consensus of Nazism with all the banderite monuments and street names and all that with minimal pushback internally. Unfortunately the Nazism has breached containment and has spread through indoctrination, education, media, popular Ukrainian culture - all this happened before the invasion so they can’t blame it on being victims of Russia
I would say it’s seriously equivalent to Nazi Germany, where a plurality of the population did support Nazism
That’s true enough, but some things like Bandera do probably have a different meaning to civilian Ukrainians, especially the younger ones, than they do to us, in no small part due to the whitewashed and promotion of Bandera by the government.
Maybe this deserves its own post but I’ll just put it here, it is one of his replies in that thread
I mean, would it be better if the teenage soldiers commanded by the Nazis went on to continue to commit the same crimes? There is literaly nothing inconsistent about the Ukrainian population being victims of the Nazis part of the Ukrainian population because as it turns out the Ukrainian nazis literally got into power through a coup, what the fuck is a maidan anyway right?
But anyway the most obvious and offending part of this shit post is imagine the date is April 1945 and you are suddenly worried and pearl clutching if the Nazi government, the SS and Hitler really deserve to be exterminated, I mean it is not like there was an SS Panzer division literally made of mostly teenagers anyway right?
History began in 2022 has a different meaning here.
How could they be Nazis when they’re doing Volkssturm? Checkmate tankies!
Good lord that triggered an adrenaline surge just now because this statement actually pops up every now and then and you just know WHY its brought up but then a lot of liberals will go “what an interesting ethical quandary 🤔🤔🤔” .
I have never seen it fail to derail a conversation.
This is just bad faith. There has been so much ink spilled about NATO aggression and the material causes of the war that it could fill an entire library. We have spend over a year meticulously citing our sources and supporting our claims.
All for this dipshit just to go “la-la-la I can’t hear you!” and have a meltdown about context being Russian propaganda. He refuses to listen. He refuses to learn. His brain just shuts down and he goes on and on smugly bloviating about the same tired thought-terminating cliches like a broken record.
We’ve addressedd the “who is invading who” question a thousand times over. We’ve explained again and again why such an infantile framing of the war is incompatible with any serious discussion of it.
Just because you ignore the answers doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
Ironically, there are literally many Hitler Youth style places where children are indoctrinated to be Nazis and also to be soldiers
But also this is moronic because no one thinks Ukraine is even mostly Nazis, it’s just that the Nazis seem to have a lot of power
There does seem to be a large cultural consensus of Nazism with all the banderite monuments and street names and all that with minimal pushback internally. Unfortunately the Nazism has breached containment and has spread through indoctrination, education, media, popular Ukrainian culture - all this happened before the invasion so they can’t blame it on being victims of Russia
I would say it’s seriously equivalent to Nazi Germany, where a plurality of the population did support Nazism
That’s true enough, but some things like Bandera do probably have a different meaning to civilian Ukrainians, especially the younger ones, than they do to us, in no small part due to the whitewashed and promotion of Bandera by the government.
Fascists believing their heroes were epic and good doesn’t stop them being fascists
A non-fascist can believe a fascist was good if they were miseducated on them