• ProxyTheAwesome [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    38
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    edit-2
    1 year ago

    You don’t have to agree with Russia’s domestic policies to be in favor of their victory on the geopolitical stage against NATO. Ain’t nothing wrong with the image in the OP. Z

    • SerLava [he/him]@hexbear.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      47
      ·
      1 year ago

      Then just post a Z instead of putting it on a trans flag when they just made trans care illegal. Just as cringe, or possibly marginally more cringe, as making a trans American flag

      • GarbageShoot [he/him]@hexbear.net
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        16
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        I think their point is that it’s a Z and not the Russian tricolor (not sure how you’d make the latter a rainbow anyway), i.e. an endorsement of the campaign specifically and not the state generally.

        I still think OOP is goofy because neither the Russians nor the Ukronazis are fighting to protect or advance trans rights, but I don’t think it’s exactly as bad as using the flag of a queer-phobic state, be it Russia, Ukraine, or America.

        • SerLava [he/him]@hexbear.net
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          19
          ·
          1 year ago

          So it would be more like putting trans colors on a US challenge coin about attacking an even worse country, still pretty odd

          • ProxyTheAwesome [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            12
            ·
            1 year ago

            Russia has risen to a sacred fight to protect its sovereignty and security. We will always support the decisions of President Putin and the Russian leadership … and we will be together in the fight against imperialism.

            -Kim Jong Un

            The US has never been anti-imperialist. What is your westoid obsession with projecting your own sins on your enemies?

            • SerLava [he/him]@hexbear.net
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              18
              ·
              edit-2
              1 year ago

              The US has never been anti-imperialist

              What are we pretending my position is next

              Edit: thanks for saying disengage, it’s a good idea, bye

          • GarbageShoot [he/him]@hexbear.net
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            7
            ·
            1 year ago

            If we just imagined there was a country (or section of a country) that the US taking over would actually make things better for . . . sure? But there hasn’t been one of those since 1945, and even then the US made sure to minimize the good it did by giving amnesty to heinous war criminals.

            • SerLava [he/him]@hexbear.net
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              15
              ·
              1 year ago

              So yeah that’s a good example, I could use the logo from like a US WWII regiment to make fun of some Nazis they killed, but I wouldn’t put like black nationalist colors or LGBT colors on the logo when it was whites-only and discharged gay people

              • GarbageShoot [he/him]@hexbear.net
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                9
                ·
                1 year ago

                That’s a bit of a contortion since “Z” is not a regiment. Using some sort of black liberationist symbol in conjunction with a more general symbol from the US attack on the Nazis seems, well, a little odd since it was a segregated military as you say, but nonetheless had black soldiers triumphing over Nazis who would have them enslaved or murdered. I suppose Azov isn’t likely being all that nice to trans people, but I’ve seen zero reporting on that topic.

      • ProxyTheAwesome [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        10
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        The American Flag is the flag of a fascist imperialist power. It’s a Nazi flag. No it’s not “just as cringe”. What “Z” and the anti-imperialist multipolar struggle represents is not “just as bad” as fucking AMERICA.

        I thought this place was finally past the both sides bullshit, but it seems continually mired here.

        • SerLava [he/him]@hexbear.net
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          27
          ·
          edit-2
          1 year ago

          Russia is run by America’s goon squad and aren’t anti-imperialist, they’re just anti the biggest empire, sure the balance of power says to fight the biggest and worst one but that doesn’t make the type of shit in the OP any less stupid. Iran is far better than either of those countries and they have an even more justified and important struggle against the US but would you slap them on a rainbow flag? If fuckin like, Uganda or Saudi started blocking oil to America you could praise that without making it seem like they’re compatible with gay and trans rights.

          It being marginally more cringe isn’t because Russia has marginally worse effects on the world, it absolutely doesn’t, it’s marginally more cringe because it’s more opposed specifically to freedom of gender expression and sexuality.