Fwiw, mearshmeier thinks the US is controlled by jews 😅
I think this framing as “complicit in genocide” is harmful and unfortunately very successful. As I see it Israel is nothing but a proxy for American interests and activities in the surrounding region. It is almostly wholly subsidised, propped up and secured by American aid. If America were to divest itself from Israel, Israel would cease to exist the next day even if assistance from Euroghouls were to continue. America is one doing the genocide.
Indeed, it paints the relationship in misleading way.
No logic in your argument. If American investment in Israel would stop now, of course the country wouldn’t cease to exist. That’s magical thinking. Did the US create the mindsets of orthodox jews, radicalised settlers or right-wing nutjobs serving as long-term PMs?
Of course not. It’s not untypical. We find this kind of hatred against a neighbor all over the world. In this sense Israel demonstrates very well that they are not a “chosen people” but a horribly regular people.
You’re right that if the U.S. stopped sending weapons and money today, Israel would not literally collapse tomorrow. The point is that Israel cannot do its genocide and attack its neighbors without constant U.S. support. They’d be forced to the bargaining table within weeks. If Israel was too stubborn to bargain or its victims were uninterested in negotiations after watching a genocide right in front of them, Israel would lose on the battlefield.
The collapse wouldn’t happen literally overnight, but it’d be soon and inevitable.
We find this kind of hatred against a neighbor all over the world. In this sense Israel demonstrates very well that they are not a “chosen people” but a horribly regular people.
Israel is an euroamerican settler project. This is not a squabble between neighbours.
A squabble like the genocide in Darfur or the genocide in Armenia? What point are you trying to make here?
The US sees the existence of Israel as strategically important. The constant flow of weapons and other resources into it is clear evidence of this (if the words of it’s leaders somehow wasn’t).
Before the US it was the UK and for a time even Nazi Germany, albeit before Israel formally existed.
If the US knew that Israel could fill it’s strategic role without further investment it would transfer those resources to another project. That’s ample evidence that Israel requires these resources.
The US didn’t create a state governed and populated by radicals, but they required it.
Yes I agree with you that Israel requires these resources to continue it’s militaristic course of action with the goal of extermination. If it didn’t have these resources anymore, it wouldn’t cease to exist. It would need to change this course if it wants to survive.
Fair point. Such a change of course would likely mean less genocide (although the existence of nuclear weapons makes this somewhat less than guaranteed).
That said, a less secure Israel might lose a large chunk of it’s population and industry. Many Israelis have dual citizenships that make leaving fairly easy. Israel as we know it could very well collapse.
israel is for all intents and purposes, an unsinkable aircraft carrier designed to permanently destabilize the ME, there can’t be any course change.
Both Bush and Reagan at one point threatened to cut support of Israel if they didn’t stop what they were doing and Israel complied.
f American investment in Israel would stop now, of course the country wouldn’t cease to exist.
It would.
I found a YouTube link in your post. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
