Did they even imprison him, or did they just tell him to tone it down and he followed the law because he lives in a country where billionaires aren’t above it? Was it just like an American judge ordering Trump or Musk to not tweet about this or that, except for the fact that there’s actually rule of law in China so Ma obeyed the court order?
I don’t actually remember the details.
the liberal mentality of everyone else just being a single West Wing style speech away from completely changing their mind
It’s the antithesis of materialism.
This probably isn’t true, but if it is: good.
Nowhere did I say Harris wouldn’t do that either.
Didn’t mean to imply you had.
I don’t see why that wouldn’t happen under Harris, too. “We support Israel unconditionally, to the point of circumventing Congress to send them more money” indicates there is nothing Harris will meaningfully oppose. That and doing nothing to oppose the genocide right now.
I think Philadelphia is in the middle of a notably long time (possibly a record) without rain, too.
wishcasting because someone is french, is not going to help, and is far more damaging to our aims and allows them a way to immedatly deflect any of our points
Agreed. I don’t make those sorts of comments, and I’ve pushed back on them under this username and others in the past. But I also understand there are good reasons to be deeply angry over the crimes of empire, and I’ve seen how being perfectly civil doesn’t get you far, either.
We need to keep our cool, WE need to learn how to discuss it with a hostile audence.
When someone responds to a discussion of atrocity propaganda with “I hate you, you just want to kill minorities,” you are no longer trying to discuss anything with that person. You’re now making arguments for the people reading along. You don’t have to be a doormat to do that, and being too conciliatory can give the impression that your argument isn’t that strong.
Yeah, I understand the argument that “let’s throw them in a well and make sure they don’t get out” is related to the fable – I just don’t buy it.
It’d be like claiming “face the wall” is a lighthearted reference to Humpty Dumpty.
an authoritarian remains an authoritarian and that the only place they deserve is down a well, not forgetting to strike the hands that try to escape with a big stick
That has nothing to do with the fable you found; it’s very plainly “those people I’m comparing to Nazis should be killed like Nazis.” Surprise surprise, “it’s a joke bro!” yet again turns out to be bullshit.
Do not message me ever again
You are right that it is probably not the best look especialy for an admin to mention throwing us into a well
My point is that if one says things like this, I’m not going to care if they complain about the same kind of violent wishcasting being aimed at them (and I’m definitely not going to care if they tut-tut about someone merely being abrasive or profane). They’re just being dishonest, and there’s no reason to engage with that.
Besides, none of this is about saying mean things anyway. It’s about a few of the most active users over there thinking that if you support AES states you’re a fascist. They aren’t willing to have any sort of good faith conversation with you or me; they think we’re basically brownshirts, they think we should be thrown in a well. One of my first comments in their defederation thread was asking this Anansi asshole a genuine question about atrocity propaganda – no insults, no jokes, just “the west has lied about this in the past so I’m skeptical of them today.” The very first reply included:
Seing all of you parading as “true” leftists while spouting the chinese equivalent of hasbara and not even seing the irony in this makes me hate you even more that shitlibs
Licking the boots of yet another authoritarian regime with state capitalism and a history of purging minorities
That’s what they think of you and me. This is what they are upset about – not mean words – and they are unwilling to discuss it.
If you could read more than a sentence
Fuck off
“I’m just joking about murdering you bro, come on, it’s your fault you’re too ignorant to get it” – this sort of shit is why I told you to fuck off. You are just trolling and getting the appropriate response: disrespect.
this post was made well after the thread where you people were asking for terrorist attacks in France
You don’t get to whine about this when you do the same exact thing. You can either be honest, acknowledge that people get heated on the internet sometimes, and acknowledge that you do that too, or you can keep up the insults and pretend like there isn’t shit all over your hands as well.
Some hexbear and grad user then, for some reason, ended up in this thread behaving like monkeys shitting in their hands and throwing it on people.
You said the people here and on Hexbear deserve to be thrown down a well, and you have the nerve to come here and whine about civility?
Sure, conceptually. It’s just a big step down from “own half the world and can order armies around” to “own a few hundred flats and have to get a court order to evict someone.”
There’s something poetic about royalty devolving back into nothing more than shitty landlords.
If you’re willing to support a genocide to avoid Trump, you’ve already lost. You’ve become what you started out fighting against. Genocide is the worst thing people can do to one another and you’ve compromised yourself all the way down to that.
Many people here (if not most) used to be liberals. I’m not aware of anyone here who started off as a fascist and eventually became a socialist.
Libs can also occasionally be browbeaten into passing some decent laws. They sometimes try to strike a balance between the working class and capitalists (e.g., the minimum wage and other labor protections), and they sometimes oppose various forms of bigotry. There is no strain of fascism that doesn’t place bigotry front and center, and any concessions to workers are explicitly for white workers only, and come at the price of destroying even white labor’s organized power to demand more.
Tale as old as time
Edit: the mod whining about how “fuck off” is over the line says we should be killed. Good riddance.
Reminds me of part of a Mao speech (albeit from 1957):
I see a lot of this echoed in Dengism and more generally the last ~40 years of Chinese economic policy. If the national bourgeoisie doesn’t seek to overthrow the government or take power over the state, it can make some money and serve its role of helping develop the country’s means of production. But if it gets out of line, it’s not running the show and will he held to account.