Hi,

jlai.lu is the french instance of Lemmy, some user posted this thread 16 days ago : https://jlai.lu/post/11504685, and a flamewar ensued between hexbear and the french, e.g. between happybadger and their administrator here.

Since they didn’t really have any reason to defederate initially, they’re now adamant that they should defederate only because of this discussion, since it proved that every Hexbear&Lemmygrad user is agressive(, as if jlai.lu users weren’t agressive in this discussion as well).
I still find hard to believe that they could defederate on such weak basis, and it does feel like a convenient excuse, but that’s what they’re saying, ask them for confirmation if you don’t believe it either.

They also used a list of post found on /c/MeanwhileOnGrad@sh.itjust.works as if it was representative, but it hardly counts as an argument, what a stupid situation…

They’ve now pinned this post for 12 days, and the defederation with both Hexbear and Lemmygrad seems unavoidable.
I’ve known this for more than a week but didn’t care that much, yet when talking with them, and especially @Camus here, they/he said that they/he would like to talk to you. @Camus is very patient/nice, and you can look at his number of comments/posts to gauge his influence, probably their most active user(, kind of a french ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆).
Well, to be more precise, he informally asked for some excuses from Hexbear, but my post here didn’t reach them, perhaps because of “r*tard” in my username(, r*tardataire designate someone who’s late in french).
However, more than excuses in the name of others, you only have to show him that we’re not aggressive(, if you have some time, it won’t change much in the end), something very easy/natural to prove for >90% of Hexbear users(, and perhaps >70-80% of Lemmygrad 🙂, it does feel a bit more bitter/serious here, not a criticism).

They have some communities that aren’t that far apart from what could be found on Lemmygrad or Hexbear b.t.w., so it can’t really be said that they’d reject us solely based on terrorism apologia, supporting Stalin, etc.(, even if their “leftist” admin is against socialist countries because our capitalists said that they’re authoritarian).
Staying federated with a french instance would be useless for 99% of Hexbear and Lemmygrad, so if you intervene it’d mostly be on the behalf of current/future french users(, it can be nice sometimes to speak your native language without using an alt account), and perhaps also for Lemmygrad and Hexbear’s reputation on jlai.lu.
If you’re french, and/or simply nice, and want a chat with them, feel free to do so directly under the post or with @Camus.
(Kinda worth mentionning in passing that, currently, their top two posts of all time sorted by the most comments are the ones cited above about this defederation)

Also, keep in mind that this defederation is unavoidable though, if it doesn’t happen now it’ll be next year or the year after. As you know, reddit banned ChapoTrapHouse, GenZedong, etc., and we were quickly banned from lemmy.world and others, so we’ll one day be banned from other “centrist” instances such as the french one. Just like we’d also be banned/censored by our governement if our numbers grow enough to disturb/‘be a threat’.
Furthermore, Hexbear took action, and decided to defederate first without even trying to discuss more calmly. So don’t waste too much of your time either(, but please don’t go there unless you intent to speak calmly).

Thanks for reading :) !

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    as if jlai.lu users weren’t agressive in this discussion as well

    I just posted a story on a lefty imageboard about some guy swiping my friend on the sidewalk and when my very weakly tapped him back in the face he made a scene like he was assaulted. Liberals are dangerous hyper-individualistic villains. I actually consider them a direct enemy of today’s left, and not some neutral third party. These french users sound the same.

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      Agreed, liberals always are a direct enemy of the left- and not merely a “lesser evil” to fascists, but equal and with no meaningful difference from fascists (which just happen to be their mask-off honest selves).

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        Many people here (if not most) used to be liberals. I’m not aware of anyone here who started off as a fascist and eventually became a socialist.

        Libs can also occasionally be browbeaten into passing some decent laws. They sometimes try to strike a balance between the working class and capitalists (e.g., the minimum wage and other labor protections), and they sometimes oppose various forms of bigotry. There is no strain of fascism that doesn’t place bigotry front and center, and any concessions to workers are explicitly for white workers only, and come at the price of destroying even white labor’s organized power to demand more.

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      I actually consider them a direct enemy of today’s left

      Yeah, they’re not really hiding it anyway. What’s even weirder is that it doesn’t stop at pro-capitalist liberals attacking anti-capitalist socialists(, instead of living together, as if ideologies had to fight until only one remains), but that even so-called socialists attack other socialists(, based on lies about freedom or w/e).
      Oh well, don’t see what i could do…