“These attacks violate the human right to life, absent any indication that the victims posed an imminent lethal threat to anyone else at the time.”

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    they have open warrants

    No, there are no open warrants against Israel.

    ICC prosecutors have requested arrest warrants against Netanyahu and Gallant based on war crimes in Palestine (which is an ICC member). But ICC courts haven’t issued warrants yet, and it may never happen. If it did, it would not restrict Israelis in general. It would just mean that Netanyahu and Gallant could not visit ICC states.

    At no point has the ICC ever entered a non-ICC country to drag anyone in, in fact they are explicitly forbidden from doing so. Some other country could take it upon themselves to declare war on Israel and try to capture and extradite him. Spoiler alert: that’s never going to happen, because it isn’t worth it. Whether you like it or not, countries prioritize respect for sovereignty over prosecuting war crimes.

    The only people who can drag in Netanyahu are Israelis themselves. That’s why when anyone asks

    what are we actually going to do about it this time

    the answer is always “we are going to do nothing”.

    Just ask Joseph Kony, who is still free despite an ICC warrant issued in 2006. Or Ahmed Haroun. Or Omar al-Bashir. All are wanted for war crimes, yet nobody can be bothered to bring them in.

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      Sure, just ignore Israel bitchng about it 7 hours ago.

      20 may, the application is what matters, not the issuance. Similarly it doesn’t matter if they are arrested, just that they could be and actively run from it.

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/20/no-10-fears-icc-ask-uk-sign-benjamin-netanyahu-arrest-warrant

      And yet the issuance and application prevent them from entering like 80+ countries and notably almost all of those with the highest gdp.

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        Well, he is still free to visit the top two countries by GDP. Millions of people spend their entire lives in one or the other. I think he’ll manage.

        But yes, to anyone asking “What are we going to do about this?”, the answer is “We are going to wait until Netanyahu (or Gallant) visits a country under ICC jurisdiction”.

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          Icc doesn’t really hold court often if ever whst they do do is remove people from public participation and lucrative trade deals. Those matter to countries.

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            An indictment against Netanyahu doesn’t really affect Israel’s trade deals. Israel’s Minister of Foreign Affairs, Minister of the Economy, etc are free to go where they need to conclude any deals.

            And most of Netanyahu’s foreign trips before indictment were to the US and Russia, which he is still free to visit. He also frequently visits Jordan, which is an ICC member but in the past has refused to arrest visitors with ICC warrants.

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              It already has, turkey stopped trade.

              Yes that’s why I specifically didn’t say all icc member states…

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                Turkey’s embargo is not related to the ICC, in fact it happened before the ICC acted against Netanyahu.

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                  Same week turkey joined the icc petition turkey stopped export. That was May 2ndish, icc announced May 20th.

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                    Turkey didn’t petition the ICC, you’re thinking of the ICJ.

                    The ICJ is not a criminal court. It cannot arrest or prosecute individuals. It can issue legal opinions regarding disputes between states, but it cannot enforce its opinions. For example, in 2014 it ruled that Japan could not hunt whales in Antarctica yet Japan is still hunting whales there today.

                    Regardless, the ICJ has not yet issued a final opinion regarding Israel.