To clarify, the pictured poster Caroline Kwan is an ally, not a TERF. The TERFs referred to in the title are the ones ‘protecting a very specific idea of what a woman is’

  • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
    241·
    3 months ago

    Someone said it better:

    Yep, heard someone complain about Khelif and I asked them if we should have disqualified Phelps considering his genetics give him all the advantages and if they believed we would have complained about Khelif 20 years ago and if they believed that men who’s testosterone is under a certain level should fight in the women’s category. That was the end of them complaining.

    Lol, no one complain about Michael Phelps but people are suddenly making faux concerns about women’s sports-- which is specifically strange considering no one says the same about men’s sports. It is though this isn’t motivated by misogyny and transphobia.

    • eleitl
      6·
      3 months ago

      Yes, by all means let us abolish the artificial separation between olympic male and female sports. I personally don’t care one bit, since I don’t have a stake in the game. Career athletes will probably disagree, but fuck them, right?

      • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
        18·
        3 months ago

        So, would you agree that if a born male is below the certain testosterone level that the person should compete in women’s category? No one seems to be railing on this but somehow everyone is up in arms when it comes to women’s sports.

        • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
          121·
          3 months ago

          I do love how the people constantly white knighting women by claiming that women who are athletes should be protected from other women who are athletes, but with masculine traits, but when you flip the script and try to suggest that maybe that should apply across the board if that’s how we’re doing things and “feminine” men should play against women, suddenly it’s “no, not like that! Our precious property women must be protected!”

          • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
            71·
            3 months ago

            The person we replied to is literally doing what the posted screenshot is criticising lol. It’s not about fairness and equality, some folks are really misogynists and protecting their own idea of what a woman is.

            • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
              61·
              3 months ago

              Right. It’s a total white knight move. I do not know of any women athletes on the level of a woman like Ms. Khelif (or any other Olympian for that matter) who have asked to be protected from having to compete against a “man.”

        • eleitl
          3·
          3 months ago

          Not really. Not a sport physiologist, but the core advantage is due to male puberty. If you prevent male puberty with blockers and afterwards keep male testosteron in low range and/or use the same regimen as in M2F transition these individuals would be better matched in a female competition.

            • eleitl
              2·
              3 months ago

              I have studied molecular biology and researched M2F transition issues privately. I have not claimed to be an expert is sport physiology. Your comeback has no substance.

          • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
            3·
            3 months ago

            Are you saying some of these born males intentionally use blockers during their puberty? Let’s say these born male individuals want to compete athletically in male sports but were outperformed; basically you’re saying it’s their fault for using blockers during their puberty?

            • eleitl
              3·
              3 months ago

              There are now some M2F transitioners who take puberty blockers during adolescence. Some of them might become athletes.

      • Microw
        3·
        3 months ago

        Or, you know, one could separate athletes into brackets/categories that are better comparable and don’t give certain people a huge advantage over others. Make a separate marathon category for East Africans. Make a separate swimming category for people like Phelps. Make categories for boxing based on strength or performance.

        Multiple female skiers have called for a different way of doing things for example, because the shorter courses for women bore them and they aren’t allowed to compete against men.

          • Microw
            3·
            3 months ago

            research (is) highlighting East African dominance in distance running, attributed to genetic predispositions, high-altitude training, traditional diets, and sociocultural factors.

            Source

            • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
              2·
              3 months ago

              So if you get good enough at a sport, you shouldn’t be allowed to compete with athletes from other countries?

              • candybrie@lemmy.world
                41·
                3 months ago

                They’re just taking the argument that Imane Khelif and others like her shouldn’t be allowed to compete in the women’s competition to it’s logical conclusion. Pretty sure it’s to show the ridiculousness of it suggesting she shouldn’t be allowed to compete against women due to a genetic advantage despite being a woman.

                • Norah - She/They@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
                  1·
                  3 months ago

                  No, I actually think they’re serious, considering their followup about female skiers. Who, I’m sure, would probably just prefer the female course be the same length as the male one ¯\_(ツ)_/¯