It depends very heavily on the individual, but some saw the USSR as the only valid socialist state. However, many Ultras refuse to accept that any Socialist state was or is legitimate in any meaningful way.
It’s always “Yeah but, what about [obscure thing, or anti-communist propaganda]. that makes them Bourgeois.”
But why tho? Why would they do that? It’s not like they would be any more of a pariah in the eyes of the liberal West if they were openly fascist, in fact they probably would be less shunned. This is what i’ve never understood whenever ultras make claims like this. It’s not like the West has any problems doing business and being allied with despotic monarchies and reactionary dictatorships.
Like when it comes to China for instance, when ultras say that the CPC are actually capitalists pretending to be communist… What would be the point of that? If they really were capitalist wouldn’t they stand to gain more from openly embracing capitalism and going full neoliberal like Russia did in the 90s? What is there to gain from such a masquerade in a post-1990 world dominated by capitalism? It’s not like we live in a world where being communist is something that benefits your image and relationships with most other countries.
When have capitalists ever bothered to go to such extreme lengths just to keep up such a charade for so long? Wouldn’t they take the first opportunity they got (late 80s, early 90s) to openly restore bourgeois rule rather than keep pretending and constantly talking about socialism and Marxism-Leninism? There is far, far more money to be made becoming a comprador for the US empire and looting your own country like the Russian oligarchs did rather than being a member of a communist ruling party.
These conspiracy theories just don’t make any sense even on the most basic level.
Do ultras support any AES? Surely they should support DPRK as they still have a fully planned economy and never introduced market reforms, right?
It depends very heavily on the individual, but some saw the USSR as the only valid socialist state. However, many Ultras refuse to accept that any Socialist state was or is legitimate in any meaningful way.
It’s always “Yeah but, what about [obscure thing, or anti-communist propaganda]. that makes them Bourgeois.”
From my experience no, they think the DPRK is at best revisionist. No one is ever communist enough for ultras.
I’ve seen a Maoist claim that the DPRK is a fascist ethnostate and is only LARPing as communist
But why tho? Why would they do that? It’s not like they would be any more of a pariah in the eyes of the liberal West if they were openly fascist, in fact they probably would be less shunned. This is what i’ve never understood whenever ultras make claims like this. It’s not like the West has any problems doing business and being allied with despotic monarchies and reactionary dictatorships.
Like when it comes to China for instance, when ultras say that the CPC are actually capitalists pretending to be communist… What would be the point of that? If they really were capitalist wouldn’t they stand to gain more from openly embracing capitalism and going full neoliberal like Russia did in the 90s? What is there to gain from such a masquerade in a post-1990 world dominated by capitalism? It’s not like we live in a world where being communist is something that benefits your image and relationships with most other countries.
When have capitalists ever bothered to go to such extreme lengths just to keep up such a charade for so long? Wouldn’t they take the first opportunity they got (late 80s, early 90s) to openly restore bourgeois rule rather than keep pretending and constantly talking about socialism and Marxism-Leninism? There is far, far more money to be made becoming a comprador for the US empire and looting your own country like the Russian oligarchs did rather than being a member of a communist ruling party.
These conspiracy theories just don’t make any sense even on the most basic level.
I think it has to do with any country being considered in the orbit of soviet social imperialism. So Cuba, the DPRK, and Vietnam are out.
These people calling themselves after the great Helmsman is just sad. He deserved better.