but even with all his problems hes still a way better choice.
I don’t think so. I, and everyone I know lived considerably better under Trump. And I’m not getting much valid argument to sway me otherwise of why what we have now is worth the cost.
Also I never said it didn’t matter about getting the troop numbers wrong.
There’s a difference between getting a number wrong off the top of your head to claiming IT NEVER HAPPENED. If I eat half a pie of pizza and claim I ate 3 slices when it was really 4… That’s a completely different thing than forgetting that there was even pizza to being with. Now up the scale to people who died under your orders. You’re downplaying this rather than owning it and pushing for a better fucking candidate.
when has he disparaged veterans?
Seriously? “Clap for that you stupid bastards” to a room of military members who were forced to attend his speech. We already covered him shitting on dead soldiers under his watch. Why do I have to give you more evidence when you ALREADY acknowledged at least one instance of it? Do I have to write you a book on it? We’ve already acknowledged it. Accept that he’s done it.
I can tell you as a VA-going veteran… The VA was better under trump. So if he shits on veterans in speeches (telling them to stand up when they’re disabled and wheel-chair bound), can’t even sit through a proper ceremony where HIS DEAD SOLDIERS returned in casket, his veteran policy leads to shittier care for myself and everyone I know… Yes… He shits on veterans. I’m sorry that you have to hear it from me. There’s very few Veterans that I’m aware of that actually want to vote Biden. (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/beltway-confidential/3078007/bidens-big-lie-on-veterans/ the facts here [not the shitty editorializing] matches what I observe in the VA system as a user of the system.)
Trump is the one doing major shitting on the military and veterans:
Which nobody heard first hand… Most military members believe this to be bullshit (me included). With Biden it’s all on tape. With Trump, I have to take the third party account and word of 1 person against many others’ word saying that it didn’t happen to begin with. There is no actual evidence that it was said at all https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/06/28/trump-soldiers-suckers-losers-2/… people like you keep claiming that he said it like you can wish it into existence. If he says it in private, fine… Even if he said it in public… Veterans under Trump got better care (IME). Actions speak louder than words as the adage goes. Biden both speaks and acts as if the Military is a burden on him. Where at “worst” trump said one thing in private… and then takes actions to better millions of veterans lives. It’s an obvious “win” here.
Edit: Ah shit! I see you edited the comment while I was making this one… Let’s address the shit you ninja’d in there…
Trump is a convicted rapist
So not child rapist as you claimed? Why are you lying to get your point across then?
This isn’t what I said… nor the claim I made. You can read the diary for yourself. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ashley-biden-leaked-diary-accusation/ This is the claim I’m referencing. And here’s the diary you can read yourself. https://archive.org/details/ashley-biden-diary/page/n43/mode/2up. My claim here is that I view showering with your daughters as a form of sexual abuse(and I understand that this is subjective), I never said assault. I have 2 daughters, I’ve never once showered with them. I’ve bathed them… I’ve made them shower (shampoo’d their hair, etc…). I’ve never showered with them. I would also argue that many of the topics Ashley covers in her diary should not have been able to happen if Biden was actually a decent father. But that’s a different topic all together.
As for project 2025 it was written by his advisors, along with the heritage foundation (who worked closely with his administration as well).
So you’re not going to tell me how it’s fascist? I’m giving you that it’s probably Christian-based. From what I read it follows a lot of Christian beliefs… But point me to anything in there that’s fascist. Here’s a copy of it for you. https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf Once again… Please show me SPECIFICALLY what policy he’s pushing that’s going to force fascism?
Why did you ignore both questions and dodge them into other points that were barely related?
Sorry I did change my post, it wasn’t 'ninjaing" to realize I made a mistake. I realized he is only accused of child rape, so even for a shit like Trump I should have still said ‘accused’ at least. But he still a convicted rapist, that alone should disqualify him.
On that note, I had heard the Biden accusations were false, and that she had disavowed that stuff, hence my comments. If it’s true, he should be disqualified too I agree. (Again, Id someone else running on the democratic ticket, as I said). Im a parent too, and that is extremely fucked up if true.
So if I don’t lay out everything in a 900 page document you don’t believe Trump might try some authoritarian stuff? It doesn’t take long to find it.
Here are a few highlights outlined in project 2025 that would effectively make Trump a dictator:
"The Project 2025 blueprint proposes abolishing the Department of Education, transforming the FBI into a political task force, reinstituting what’s known as Schedule F. That’s an executive authority that would be instituted by Trump to grow the number of political appointees across the civil service.
And they also want to install roughly 20,000 loyal civil servants across agencies. And they have been preparing for this. Project 2025 leaders have called those loyalists — quote — “conservative warriors.” They have called them an army. They have called — of weaponized conservatives.
And they want to essentially make lawyers across all federal agencies, not just the Justice Department, any legal counsel, they want to make them loyal Trump — loyal — loyalists to Trump."
Project 2025 also includes (quotes from a PBS article)
"Specifically on restricting LGBTQ rights, what that details is reinstating a transgender military ban, limiting LGBTQ workplace discrimination protections. Currently, under the law, sexual orientation, and gender identity are protected. It would rescind health care protections for transgender people and urge Congress to define gender as male and female, fixed at birth.
Trump has repeatedly said, also, William, that he would ban gender-affirming care for minors. And this playbook makes pretty clear that his plan — this plan also is trying to stop any and all acknowledgement of an acceptance of gender identity and LGBTQ people, period.
And so, throughout this blueprint, there’s some pretty striking language where government — saying that government officials should only recognize marriages between a man and a woman and that a man and a woman are the ideal natural family structure.
Also, in addition to that, William, Trump has outlined a number of policies that essentially help minority groups and that they would be on the chopping block. So, when it comes to Project 2025 cuts to diversity, what the plan would do is delete diversity, equity and inclusion from every piece of legislation, remove diversity, equity, inclusion offices from federal agencies, curtail the teaching of race and racism, and urge Congress to ban federal funds for Critical Race Theory training.
Essentially, William, Trump has vowed on the campaign trail to terminate all DEI programs."
Add to that three of his appointed conservative supreme court justices just gave him immunity to do basically anything (as long as he claims it’s ‘official’), and his calling leftists extremists and “vermin” to be rooted out and punishing anyone who doesn’t fall in line, saying migrants should fight for entertainment…
I wasn’t aware of Biden doing those things or saying such things about veterans, and I really wasn’t trying to gloss over it or change the subject. I shouldn’t assume just because I haven’t heard it, it isn’t true - and as someone on the left I’ve only heard of Trump’s negatives in this regard. I won’t pretend I know, or understand what it’s like to be so disrespected after serving. Also, I’m sorry if I made you feel disrespected, I wasn’t trying to do that.
But I still think Trump is clearly the more dangerous choice - hell any Republican would be seeing what they’ve done in red states, not to mention how he plans on not conceding if he loses. (Not how democracy works)
I don’t think you can convince me otherwise, and I realize I’m going to change your mind either. (But I will be more careful in future talking about military issues I know squat about) Sorry if I missed a few points and questions, it’s not deliberate if I did.
All of your points boil down to things that actually can’t be found in Project2025 it seems. Removal of DEI is the only point I see here that is actually in there… And honestly… DEI just doesn’t/isn’t work/working IMO. Working for an R1 University, I sat on the board that hired people in my department. Those with qualifications were overlooked and were not hired… those without qualifications were voted against by the board and were still hired… They held some form of race
Those links… none of them actually state what parts of the Project2025 say these things. It’s more of the same handwavy “well it says it somewhere in there” with no direct quotes or evidence otherwise.
Also, I’m sorry if I made you feel disrespected, I wasn’t trying to do that.
I don’t expect civilians to understand military at all. I don’t hold you to any standard in that respect (unless you try to speak authoritatively on any of it). However, commander in chief, I would hold to the highest standard.
But I still think Trump is clearly the more dangerous choice - hell any Republican would be seeing what they’ve done in red states, not to mention how he plans on not conceding if he loses. (Not how democracy works)
Not from my perspective. And especially not after seeing the assassination attempt of Trump on the news literally an hour ago.
We get it, you’re a Trump supporter. I’m glad you felt safe during his presidency, unfortunately an easy 45% of the American population (queer and minority groups) did not feel this way and were vilified by Trump and his supporters during his presidency, so that “assassination” attempt that definitely wasn’t staged somehow changes your mind against all the violence that his party has promoted? All the hatred and vitriol he created just poof wiped away because supposedly a leftist “shot a pellet” at him, which is an assassination attempt?
Come off it. By supporting Trump you know what you stand for and what you’re promoting, and you should know all the awful things he’s said about veterans too, but that doesn’t seem to matter since you’ve only expressed contempt for Biden doing it. And the VA under Trump? As if, absolutely laughable. Yeah the VA under Trump did a great job for my grandpa struggling with lung cancer. They did a great job for my grandma after his passing. The VA is and has been junk, Trump did nothing for it.
Don’t act like being against Genocide Joe is some true path to Democracy. Trump will kill more Palestinian’s in a year through his rhetoric to his supporters alone all while helping Isreal even more. Sanctions wouldn’t even be a discussion, like they have been under Biden. I honestly am appalled that anyone could see the events of 2016-2020 and think that Trump would make these peoples lives safer (U.S. Palestinians). We even have a prime example of him floundering aid to Ukraine, and it’s definitely not like Trump would have had any impeding motives help Ukraine against Russia.
If you think Trump will help make your life better when he’s president, he won’t, so you can stop defending him and giving him the benefit of the doubt.
LMFAO. Yeah sure. If you actually read my posts you’ll see that I want both parties to be better. Neither candidate is worth my vote. And I’ve never voted Trump.
I’m glad you felt safe during his presidency, unfortunately an easy 45% of the American population (queer and minority groups) did not feel this way and were vilified by Trump and his supporters during his presidency
I’m in a (several) minority group. Don’t speak for me.
so that “assassination” attempt that definitely wasn’t staged
Man… And you idiots call the right leaning groups conspiracy nuts. It’s impossible to have a discussion with any of you when you say really dumb shit like this. 1 person is dead. 2 are in hospital. You think that was staged? Killing people on live TV was staged?
All the hatred and vitriol he created just poof wiped away because supposedly a leftist “shot a pellet” at him, which is an assassination attempt?
Trump will kill more Palestinian’s in a year through his rhetoric
Ah cause so many are making it through now right? Israel is doing so much worse because Biden or Trump is in office! Holy shit you’re something special.
I have nothing I can positively say to you. You’re hook line and sinker for the cult of Biden. God forbid we acknowledge even basic facts like someone fucking died.
Edit: Corrected a sentence… missed a couple of words.
Edit2: Oh and to clarify, I’m not counting the shooter in the dead count. There’s really 2… But who gives a shit about someone who kills random civilians.
I don’t think so. I, and everyone I know lived considerably better under Trump. And I’m not getting much valid argument to sway me otherwise of why what we have now is worth the cost.
There’s a difference between getting a number wrong off the top of your head to claiming IT NEVER HAPPENED. If I eat half a pie of pizza and claim I ate 3 slices when it was really 4… That’s a completely different thing than forgetting that there was even pizza to being with. Now up the scale to people who died under your orders. You’re downplaying this rather than owning it and pushing for a better fucking candidate.
Seriously? “Clap for that you stupid bastards” to a room of military members who were forced to attend his speech. We already covered him shitting on dead soldiers under his watch. Why do I have to give you more evidence when you ALREADY acknowledged at least one instance of it? Do I have to write you a book on it? We’ve already acknowledged it. Accept that he’s done it.
I can tell you as a VA-going veteran… The VA was better under trump. So if he shits on veterans in speeches (telling them to stand up when they’re disabled and wheel-chair bound), can’t even sit through a proper ceremony where HIS DEAD SOLDIERS returned in casket, his veteran policy leads to shittier care for myself and everyone I know… Yes… He shits on veterans. I’m sorry that you have to hear it from me. There’s very few Veterans that I’m aware of that actually want to vote Biden. (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/beltway-confidential/3078007/bidens-big-lie-on-veterans/ the facts here [not the shitty editorializing] matches what I observe in the VA system as a user of the system.)
Which nobody heard first hand… Most military members believe this to be bullshit (me included). With Biden it’s all on tape. With Trump, I have to take the third party account and word of 1 person against many others’ word saying that it didn’t happen to begin with. There is no actual evidence that it was said at all https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/06/28/trump-soldiers-suckers-losers-2/… people like you keep claiming that he said it like you can wish it into existence. If he says it in private, fine… Even if he said it in public… Veterans under Trump got better care (IME). Actions speak louder than words as the adage goes. Biden both speaks and acts as if the Military is a burden on him. Where at “worst” trump said one thing in private… and then takes actions to better millions of veterans lives. It’s an obvious “win” here.
Edit: Ah shit! I see you edited the comment while I was making this one… Let’s address the shit you ninja’d in there…
So not child rapist as you claimed? Why are you lying to get your point across then?
This isn’t what I said… nor the claim I made. You can read the diary for yourself. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ashley-biden-leaked-diary-accusation/ This is the claim I’m referencing. And here’s the diary you can read yourself. https://archive.org/details/ashley-biden-diary/page/n43/mode/2up. My claim here is that I view showering with your daughters as a form of sexual abuse(and I understand that this is subjective), I never said assault. I have 2 daughters, I’ve never once showered with them. I’ve bathed them… I’ve made them shower (shampoo’d their hair, etc…). I’ve never showered with them. I would also argue that many of the topics Ashley covers in her diary should not have been able to happen if Biden was actually a decent father. But that’s a different topic all together.
So you’re not going to tell me how it’s fascist? I’m giving you that it’s probably Christian-based. From what I read it follows a lot of Christian beliefs… But point me to anything in there that’s fascist. Here’s a copy of it for you. https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf Once again… Please show me SPECIFICALLY what policy he’s pushing that’s going to force fascism?
Why did you ignore both questions and dodge them into other points that were barely related?
Sorry I did change my post, it wasn’t 'ninjaing" to realize I made a mistake. I realized he is only accused of child rape, so even for a shit like Trump I should have still said ‘accused’ at least. But he still a convicted rapist, that alone should disqualify him.
On that note, I had heard the Biden accusations were false, and that she had disavowed that stuff, hence my comments. If it’s true, he should be disqualified too I agree. (Again, Id someone else running on the democratic ticket, as I said). Im a parent too, and that is extremely fucked up if true.
So if I don’t lay out everything in a 900 page document you don’t believe Trump might try some authoritarian stuff? It doesn’t take long to find it.
Here are a few highlights outlined in project 2025 that would effectively make Trump a dictator:
"The Project 2025 blueprint proposes abolishing the Department of Education, transforming the FBI into a political task force, reinstituting what’s known as Schedule F. That’s an executive authority that would be instituted by Trump to grow the number of political appointees across the civil service.
And they also want to install roughly 20,000 loyal civil servants across agencies. And they have been preparing for this. Project 2025 leaders have called those loyalists — quote — “conservative warriors.” They have called them an army. They have called — of weaponized conservatives.
And they want to essentially make lawyers across all federal agencies, not just the Justice Department, any legal counsel, they want to make them loyal Trump — loyal — loyalists to Trump."
(From https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/a-look-at-the-project-2025-plan-to-reshape-government-and-trumps-links-to-its-authors)
Project 2025 also includes (quotes from a PBS article)
"Specifically on restricting LGBTQ rights, what that details is reinstating a transgender military ban, limiting LGBTQ workplace discrimination protections. Currently, under the law, sexual orientation, and gender identity are protected. It would rescind health care protections for transgender people and urge Congress to define gender as male and female, fixed at birth.
Trump has repeatedly said, also, William, that he would ban gender-affirming care for minors. And this playbook makes pretty clear that his plan — this plan also is trying to stop any and all acknowledgement of an acceptance of gender identity and LGBTQ people, period.
And so, throughout this blueprint, there’s some pretty striking language where government — saying that government officials should only recognize marriages between a man and a woman and that a man and a woman are the ideal natural family structure.
Also, in addition to that, William, Trump has outlined a number of policies that essentially help minority groups and that they would be on the chopping block. So, when it comes to Project 2025 cuts to diversity, what the plan would do is delete diversity, equity and inclusion from every piece of legislation, remove diversity, equity, inclusion offices from federal agencies, curtail the teaching of race and racism, and urge Congress to ban federal funds for Critical Race Theory training.
Essentially, William, Trump has vowed on the campaign trail to terminate all DEI programs."
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-a-second-trump-presidency-could-impact-the-lgbtq-community I have trans friends and family, this is very fucked up.
Add to that three of his appointed conservative supreme court justices just gave him immunity to do basically anything (as long as he claims it’s ‘official’), and his calling leftists extremists and “vermin” to be rooted out and punishing anyone who doesn’t fall in line, saying migrants should fight for entertainment…
Another article outlining Trump and the GOPs authoritarian plans: https://www.salon.com/2023/10/09/the-rights-red-caesar-plan-a-new-order-keeps-marching-forward/
I wasn’t aware of Biden doing those things or saying such things about veterans, and I really wasn’t trying to gloss over it or change the subject. I shouldn’t assume just because I haven’t heard it, it isn’t true - and as someone on the left I’ve only heard of Trump’s negatives in this regard. I won’t pretend I know, or understand what it’s like to be so disrespected after serving. Also, I’m sorry if I made you feel disrespected, I wasn’t trying to do that.
But I still think Trump is clearly the more dangerous choice - hell any Republican would be seeing what they’ve done in red states, not to mention how he plans on not conceding if he loses. (Not how democracy works)
I don’t think you can convince me otherwise, and I realize I’m going to change your mind either. (But I will be more careful in future talking about military issues I know squat about) Sorry if I missed a few points and questions, it’s not deliberate if I did.
All of your points boil down to things that actually can’t be found in Project2025 it seems. Removal of DEI is the only point I see here that is actually in there… And honestly… DEI just doesn’t/isn’t work/working IMO. Working for an R1 University, I sat on the board that hired people in my department. Those with qualifications were overlooked and were not hired… those without qualifications were voted against by the board and were still hired… They held some form of race
Those links… none of them actually state what parts of the Project2025 say these things. It’s more of the same handwavy “well it says it somewhere in there” with no direct quotes or evidence otherwise.
I don’t expect civilians to understand military at all. I don’t hold you to any standard in that respect (unless you try to speak authoritatively on any of it). However, commander in chief, I would hold to the highest standard.
Not from my perspective. And especially not after seeing the assassination attempt of Trump on the news literally an hour ago.
We get it, you’re a Trump supporter. I’m glad you felt safe during his presidency, unfortunately an easy 45% of the American population (queer and minority groups) did not feel this way and were vilified by Trump and his supporters during his presidency, so that “assassination” attempt that definitely wasn’t staged somehow changes your mind against all the violence that his party has promoted? All the hatred and vitriol he created just poof wiped away because supposedly a leftist “shot a pellet” at him, which is an assassination attempt?
Come off it. By supporting Trump you know what you stand for and what you’re promoting, and you should know all the awful things he’s said about veterans too, but that doesn’t seem to matter since you’ve only expressed contempt for Biden doing it. And the VA under Trump? As if, absolutely laughable. Yeah the VA under Trump did a great job for my grandpa struggling with lung cancer. They did a great job for my grandma after his passing. The VA is and has been junk, Trump did nothing for it.
Don’t act like being against Genocide Joe is some true path to Democracy. Trump will kill more Palestinian’s in a year through his rhetoric to his supporters alone all while helping Isreal even more. Sanctions wouldn’t even be a discussion, like they have been under Biden. I honestly am appalled that anyone could see the events of 2016-2020 and think that Trump would make these peoples lives safer (U.S. Palestinians). We even have a prime example of him floundering aid to Ukraine, and it’s definitely not like Trump would have had any impeding motives help Ukraine against Russia.
If you think Trump will help make your life better when he’s president, he won’t, so you can stop defending him and giving him the benefit of the doubt.
LMFAO. Yeah sure. If you actually read my posts you’ll see that I want both parties to be better. Neither candidate is worth my vote. And I’ve never voted Trump.
I’m in a (several) minority group. Don’t speak for me.
Man… And you idiots call the right leaning groups conspiracy nuts. It’s impossible to have a discussion with any of you when you say really dumb shit like this. 1 person is dead. 2 are in hospital. You think that was staged? Killing people on live TV was staged?
A PERSON IS DEAD. THE “PELLET” KILLED 1 AND PUT 2 MORE IN HOSPITAL. https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/14/politics/corey-comperatore-trump-shooting-victim/index.html
Ah cause so many are making it through now right? Israel is doing so much worse because Biden or Trump is in office! Holy shit you’re something special.
I have nothing I can positively say to you. You’re hook line and sinker for the cult of Biden. God forbid we acknowledge even basic facts like someone fucking died.
Edit: Corrected a sentence… missed a couple of words.
Edit2: Oh and to clarify, I’m not counting the shooter in the dead count. There’s really 2… But who gives a shit about someone who kills random civilians.