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      If Trump wins he’ll continue to support genocide even harder in Gaza since he’s a Christian death cultist

      Yeah, that’s the crazy part. I get the voting undecided or whatever your state’s equivalent is in order to send a message to Biden that he needs to change his policies (I’ll be doing this as well when it’s my state’s turn). However, Trump and the right are very openly pro Israel and if anything support Israel even more.

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        Not to mention that if Trump is back in power he’ll also be supporting the genocide in Ukraine.

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      But do go on about how “both parties are the same.” If you don’t vote for Biden you’ll likely never be able to cast a vote again.

      this hyperbole only serves to reinforce this hard line between american liberals and leftists; consider reevaluating what is influencing your thought process.

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          That “plan” literally changes every year and there have been presidents more closely related to evangelical and supremacist groups in the past and the plan continues to update each year.

          Ask yourself how did you come to know if it’s existence? Was it social media? Did they want you to know about it? We’re you likewise engaged about it whatever it was called back in 2004?

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        It’s not at all hyperbole. Survivors of the holocaust during Trump’s first term specifically brought up how eerie and terrifying was the similarity with what they lived through during the early years, in the long run-up to the full Nazi takeover.

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          Biden and the neoliberals represent everything that gave rise to the material conditions that spawned the growth of Nazi Germany

          Neoliberalism will continue to spawn fascism until we do away with it. Unfortunately our oligarchs will not prevent that. Which means that fascism is an inevitability in the United States - if not in 2024 then shortly thereafter

          Incrementalism and neoliberalism will kill us, and there’s nothing we can do to stop it

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            You know a socialist came within like 20 feet of the Democratic nomination in 2016 and probably would have won the general, right

            A lot of people trying to organize to improve their situation in much harder conditions would call you a coward and quitter for just throwing your hands up in this absolutely abject surrender. You’re still free, you can speak your mind on Lemmy, you can vote or organize. That’s already like 5 big steps up. Just whining about it like “boo hoo all the neoliberals in power won’t just hand it over to me even though I asked them to” is some fuckin weak sauce.

            I actually don’t agree that Biden’s economic policies are of a piece with all the neoliberal Democratic-party bullshit that’s been on offer ever since Reagan took down Jimmy Carter’s solar panels. But that’s neither here nor there; the main point is your rampant defeatism is a bunch of conveniently-means-I-don’t-have-to-do-anything crap.

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              Bernie is a social democrat. If he’s socialist then Scandinavia is socialist. And Scandinavia is obviously not socialist

              boo hoo all the neoliberals in power won’t just hand it over to me even though I asked them to" is some fuckin weak sauce.

              They wouldn’t hand it over even if there was full blown revolution with nationwide riots and murders. Nor should they - they have far more power than the people, and our military and police are indoctrinated and impossibly heavily armed

              I agree that Biden is the best president since LBJ. Gazans might not agree with that evaluation. But I probably do.

              Freedom of speech is an illusion that is rapidly shrinking under our current society. It is at best effectless, and at worst a means for the government to engage in gathering intelligence and surveilling certain individuals to build files for future retaliation

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          Did you ever stop to wonder why it’s up to leftists and liberals to come together to stop it instead of the checks and balances that our system is supposed to have?

          Who made you agree that it’s up to the leftists where the checks and balances are supposed to do the job?

          We got here by voting for the lesser evil every single time and we’ll be here again unless everyone begins to ask themselves questions like this.

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        If both parties are the same on Israel, then look for other differences to vote for.

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          Eh, that’s not exactly how that works. There are single issue voters. If neither side appeals to them they will likely either not vote or seek a third party candidate. That is why the Green party had any sort of relevance until the Dems started really taking climate issues more seriously with things like “the green new deal”.

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            That is exactly how your system works. It’s a 2 party system in practice. So you might as well work with what you got. It definitely needs an overhaul though. I’m glad all votes matter where I am from.

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            Those folks just don’t understand game theory.

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              That’s not at all what I said. There are people who are strictly single issue because that one issue matters more to them than anything else. Telling them to look at other issues doesn’t solve their problem. They’re more likely to look at other candidates.