I saw this on a comment in Step Back’s YouTube video on the Israel Palestine conflict and this instance seems knowledgeable on colonial history and this conflict in particular, so I thought I’d start by asking here before finding another instance or community who knows history.
Someone asked something along the lines of: "Suppose you were an Arab Muslim Palestinian living in the territory that would become Israel in the 1940’s. You weren’t particularly political, you just kept your head down and lived your life. What would happen around you as history unfolds? At what point does something bad happen to you? And what would it likely be? A bombing, an eviction, a business being attacked? "
Personally, I’m curious about that, too. Does nothing happen until you do something antisemitic to one of the Jews moving in?
Someone replied: “You and your children would be among the 20% of Israeli citizens with full and equal rights. The Arabs who fled did so because their hope was to return once the Arab armies finished off the Jews for good. The ones who stayed were the ones who were willing to coexist with Jews.”
My next question is, is that true?
Quick note: I know ya’ll get super sarcastic here, so just know I’m asking in good faith 😭. You can check my history if you want to double-check.
Sound like the question you’re asking is “What was the Nakba and what happened during the Nakba?”
The very short version is that Zionist militias and paramilitaries used massacres and terror tactics to drive three quarters of a million Arabs to flee from their homes in to an exile that is ongoing to this day.
The person’s statement that the people who left wanted to leave is completely untrue historical revisionism and genocide denial. Zionist military forces very deliberately enacted genocidal tactics to force much of the Arab population in the region to flee for their lives, generally with nothing. Massacre, rape, torture, property destruction, poisoning of wells, and all the other classics were used as tactics in pursuit of this goal.
It must be remembered that, especially by the forties, few Zionists had any intention of peaceful coexistence. Starting with Theodore Herzl, and stated very plainly by Zionists throughout the late 19th and 20th century, Zionism is a colonial project premised on the removal of the indigenous population. Zionist thinkers, writers, and leaders have generally been very frank about their goals and methods.
It needs to remembered that Zionist military forces had been engaged in terrorism and sabotage in the Levant, fighting against both the British occupying forces and indigenous Arabs (among others) since the 20s. The Nakba was not the first time that Zionist military forces had engaged in mass violence against Arab Palestinians. Also needs to be noted that, prior to the Holocaust, Zionists operating in Palestine generally did not have the support of indigenous Jewish Palestinians. They were a self-consciously outside group of mostly secular colonial invaders spreading terror in the region in pursuit of their own goals, and were recognized as such by everyone. Prior to the Holocaust giving them an entirely unearned veneer of legitimacy pretty much everyone - Jews, Arabs, British, everyone, viewed them as a terrorists. Sometimes useful terrorists, for the British, but terrorists none the less.
Look up early Zionist paramilitaries like Irgun, Haganah, LEHI, the Stern Group.
Thanks! This was a really good summary that was exactly what I was looking for.
full and equal rights
Haha ya, that raised my eyebrows, too. But I don’t know a lot about the specifics of the apartheid in Israel except that they use some different roads in the West Bank and use different religious courts for things like marriage.
Since one doc was already recommended. Let me recommend Tantura, which is another documentary. It’s about one specific event in one village (Tantura).
And this is just for a hundred people. This occurred so much that hundred of thousands fled.
I also added other resources below.
If you want to read. There’s “The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine” and “Ten Myths About Israel”. Both are by Ilan Pappé, a Jewish Israeli historian.
If you want something short, there is a short video called How I Got out of Zionism by Shlomo on Tiktok. After checking I found a bunch of YT reuploads. The ones around 10 minutes are the ones without commentary. https://yewtu.be/search?q="how+i+got+out+of+zionism"
Ooh damn, apparently a lot of good resources here. I’ll have a lot to come back to. I appreciate it! I asked the right community apparently.
This documentary covers a lot of the events. 1948: Creation & Catastrophe
Oh wow, looks like a recent one. I’ll have to give it a watch.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
