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Liberals wholeheartedly believe that if Russia gains an inch of territory that their next move will be to overthrow the world. If you mention that this is unreasonable and illogical, they insinuate that you’re a Putin sympathizer and you want that to happen.
These are the people who claim to want peace.
Putin has been in power for ~25 years. In that time, Russia has fought wars in… I think Chechnya, Georgia, and Dagestan. Small territories that were formerly part of the USSR, and for all I know it’s possible the USSR was justified in intervening or at the very least Russia’s action could not be called “imperial”. I guess there’s Syria too but the US is there too so that’s a wash.
Ukraine is the first real, full scale war Putin has launched. Still within the former borders of the USSR. And that was a war Putin tried to avoid and could have been avoided had Ukraine gone along with Minsk II and stopped shelling the Donbas.
Should we discuss all the imperialist invasions and wars the US has been in in the last 25 years?
Putin has had 25+ years to show he is imperialist and hasn’t done it yet. But libs think he’s gonna lead the Russian army to Paris if NATO dares shows any weakness.
every accusation a projection
Ukraine is also a former USSR member and the last time they “invaded” it, they were actively collaborating with the Third Reich
The Soviets didn’t invade Ukraine. The Ukrainian SSR was fighting alongside the Soviets against the Nazis. As much as I hate the UPA and modern Ukraine, I’ll never undermine or discredit the sacrifice made by Ukrainians in saving the world from Fascism.
Very good point. I edited my original comment to put scare quotes around “invaded”
It pisses me off to no end when, for example, westerners will refer to heros like Lyudmila Pavlichenko as “Russian” when like… she was born and raised in fucking Kyiv. She was a Soviet Ukranian, and many of the Nazis she killed were also Ukranians.
Putin has had 25+ years to show he is imperialist and hasn’t done it yet.
But have you considered that imperialism is when a country does anything in another country? Kinda like the imperialist CCP building infastructure in Africa to lead them away from FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY™. Bet you didn’t think about that. Chechmate tankie
it’s always important to remember where the imperial core is, and who is dividing the world into camps (NATO) and who is responding to that division (non-NATO countries).
The Russian war in Ukraine is ultimately a side effect of the civil war in Ukraine, which is a side effect of neoliberalization of Ukraine, which is a side effect of the end of the USSR. All problems in that region stem ultimately from that event, but libs are incapable of seeing the end of the USSR as a bad thing, so they have to invent a world where former soviet nations are guilty of imperialism against NATO proxies and postcolonial countries are anti-democratic dictatorships who have to be brought in line by the “rules-based world order” (NATO).
Lol their ultimate limit break to prevent “another dark age” is to…voot and beg their designated TV show characters to do something
they are ready to
so fucking hard right now if they couldrunning to the polling station during the sack of rome to
out GaisericThe implied part is that their neocon leaders know how to apply the necessary imperialist violence. They know the vote doesn’t fix it, they know what they want their leaders to do
When I saw a similar call to action from QAnon, I actually laughed out loud lol. He had like a 5 paragraph screed about the deep state and pedophiles and the holy battle between good and evil
And the last paragraph tells patriots to vote
We are letting Russia win. We are letting North Korea win. We are letting Hamas win.
A vote for Bart is a vote for anarchy
We are letting North Korea win
Did I travel back in time or something? What are these liberals smoking?
North Korea is peacefully advancing their economy, technology, and living standards. Since they are Communists, this cannot stand. We must invade to destroy the country before they can do Communism.
he is offended by the tik toks he saw…
Liberals really do want to exterminate everyone who isn’t controlled by finance imperialists, its that simple
The liberal image of North Korea is of like…Mordor or something. You ask them to picture North Korea and they imagine that scene from the lord of the rings where the orcs are making weapons preparing for war in a burnt out volcanic wasteland. That’s honestly what they think the country is like. The lies about the country are so extreme in the liberal press that their view of it is entirely 100% fictional. They don’t know a single thing about the country and are incredibly hostile to learning even the most basic facts about them.
DPRK is Mordor
Pretty sure this is how they think of Russia atm
the country where the missiles are manufactured only matter to liberals when russia is firing them
Remember that scene in the new star wars where the guy says he sells weapons to both the empire and the rebels and then they never circle back to that plot point again? It just feels similar
irrelevant star wars
Rei and Kylo should have joined forces when he first offered and then become grey Jedi who tear down the Empire and the Jedi and then Darth Vader’s force ghost shrugs and applauds
Sounds better than “somehow Palpatine returned”
The next Dark age
Reminder that the “dark ages” is bullshit Western chauvinist mythologising of history. Which actually fits perfectly given the context of this tweet.
The Dark Age, a time of backwardness, illiteracy, and decline. Also, when books were invented.
Quite ironic considering that the dark ages were caused by the ancestors of people living in Europe right now and rest of the world was prospering during the dark ages.
I’m curious to hear more of this. How is it chauvinist mythologizing?
So it’s basically saying that the western civilization is the main character of history and whatever else was going on in The Americas, Asia (including West Asia/the Middle East), and Africa was inconsequential.
For one big example of how much it centres western civilization, the dark ages were also roughly when the Islamic Golden Age took place.
But to go even further than that, the Carolingian Renaissance occurred during the dark ages, so it’s not even the west or Europe that we’re talking about when we call it the dark ages but a fictionalised notion of “western civilization” that goes from Ancient Greece to Ancient Rome to a big gap where “nothing important happens” to the High and Late Middle Ages in Europe where things like the Renaissance take place.
It’s also mythologising because it implies that Western Europe are the heirs to the achievements of Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome because they sorta inherited their scientific and technological legacy.
The inconvenient fact that is that the Islamic Golden Age preserved a whole lot of writing and technology from Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome by translating important works, not to mention building on these scientific and technological advances and developing their own, so they would have an equal claim over being heirs to western civilization by that same logic. Also the Islamic Golden Age is essentially how most of the science and technology from Ancient Greece and Rome gets to Western Europe.
But that’s uncomfortable for some people to admit, so they just ignore it and tell eachother fairytales about history.
and you can still see the evidence in English: algebra, algorithm, alchemy, elixir, alkali, zero, alcohol, almanac … all from Arabic
please remind your congressman that we need to KILL
we need to KILL
we need to take DA on the DA
Oh, he knows
Zelenskyy should’ve got a FastPass™ so he could skip to the front of the line. Rookie mistake.
Defunctproxy: The history of The Zelensky Train.
the year the world descended into the next dark age
I’m waiting until the world realises that we’re already in the dark age and that year was 1991 not 2023
I would love to live long enough to see a history book that actually covers the 20th century correctly
everything the West has built over the past 80 years falling apart
Born to late to join the revolution.
Born too early to colonize the stars.
Born just in time to watch the empire fall.
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Yeah like what does the US have to do with it? This isn’t a proxy war, as I’ve been repeatedly assured
Lmao
Fortunately we don’t have to worry about libs like this because their only solutions are writing their reps, going to “protests” at the designated time and place and then immediatly going home, and voting.
So it’s not like their going to have literally any impact on anything.
I wish it were that simple. But unfortunately it takes a different set of actions and much less to preserve and defend the status quo than it does for us to change and overcome it. These people will gladly help the state spy on us and repress our movements, for example, which is relatively passive shit that we don’t really have the equivalent of. They get to exercise power almost simply by just being, whereas we have to put up active resistance and throw our bodies, our freedom, and our societal status on the line in order to accomplish anything. I think the notion that we just don’t have to worry about them because they’ll just casually contribute to the repressive tide we have to struggle against is actually kind of dangerous.
Not that the sense in which we should worry about them is in trying to “change their minds online”. That’s obviously a pointless and futile strategy. But we should be working, when we can, to humiliate, shame, disempower, and make them uncomfortable everywhere they turn. We should be working to dismantle their casual systems of power (reactionaly neighborhood watches, homeowners’ associations, better business bureaus, NextDoor, etc.—and whatever the equivalents are in other regions, as I’m mostly familiar with the American ones) because those things are essentially an informal extension of the state and of capitalist power. They are basically brownshirts, except that the state and its tendrils have become so ubiquitous that they often don’t need to actively take the violent actions themselves when they’ve almost always got a cop on hand to do it for them, and all they have to do is be that cop’s eyes and ears. (And, of course, we shouldn’t neglect the fact that the state will still be very forgiving of them if and when they do decide to be directly violent.)
Who are we supposed to vote for? Genocide corpse or fascist corpse?
Given the wolfsangel in their username, they are okay with fascism and genocide.
Remember, Trump would have done Gaza but even fascistier! Vote!
That genuinely seems like a high bar to step up to. Biden has done a bang up job in the genocide department it’s actually hard to think Trump could top it.
At this rate, he’ll make East Timor look like a fucking Birthday party…
Why are they so obvessed with this “history” narrative?
Just spitballing: the validation of imagining that someone, someday, will point to their picture in a classroom and say “and these people were actually right and smart all along, but all the brainwashed people on both sides just wouldn’t listen to what they had to say.”
It’s always a matter of the civilised world vs the barbaric hordes to them.
They don’t actually care about history. Tell them about the political philosopher Ibn Tufayl and how his works preceded the Enlightenment thinkers and was a direct influence on some of them. (I can’t remember the specific details but there was an early copy of his Hayy Ibn Yaqzan the library of… maybe a mentor of Rousseau? who had definitely read the book and was a direct influence on Rousseau and then suddenly Rousseau produces Emile, which has astonishing parallels to Hayy Ibn Yaqzan although no conclusive, direct link has been established between Rousseau and Tufayl.)
Do you think they’re going to be fascinated or excited to learn about this fact?
Nah, no thanks! Only Ancient Rome, Ancient Greece, and maybe whatever European history they’re connected to via their heritage or their last name.
They’re just interested in historical justification for telling themselves that they are heirs to civilization.
there was an early copy of his Hayy Ibn Yaqzan the library of… maybe a mentor of Rousseau? who had definitely read the book and was a direct influence on Rousseau and then suddenly Rousseau produces Emile, which has astonishing parallels to Hayy Ibn Yaqzan although no conclusive, direct link has been established between Rousseau and Tufayl
hmmmm that sounds suspiciously like how Newton and Leibniz both invented calculus at the exact same time after Jesuits had made contact with the Kerala school of mathematics
Many such cases!
My favourite example of this in more recent times is this one:
Erich Fromm articulates the idea of negative liberties vs positive liberties (e.g. “the freedom from being slandered” vs “the freedom to say whatever you like”) in his Escape From Freedom/The Fear of Freedom (depending on which part of the world you’re in the title was different).
The only problem is that Fromm is a German and a Marxist (ick!)
A couple of decades later Isaiah Berlin, who is a Russian refugee that fled the USSR in childhood (he saw the October Revolution) and who is a liberal and a strident anti-Marxist and anti-communist political theorist, delivers a speech titled “Two Concepts of Liberty”. You can guess what those two concepts happened to be. Berlin also happened to be fluent in German and he read a lot.
Is there direct evidence establishing the link between Erich Fromm’s writing and Isaiah Berlin’s speech? No.
But it’s not like Berlin one day wrote “Dear diary, today I am giving a speech and I thought I might as well plagiarise Erich Fromm…”
Because they think it’s ended
nazism
