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Sooner or later they’d get me for one thing if not for another…

[But if] a fellow ain’t got a soul of his own, just little piece of a big soul, the one big soul that belongs to everybody, then…Then it don’t matter. I’ll be all around in the dark – I’ll be everywhere.

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Cake day: September 5th, 2023

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  • Does the news think we’re all stupid? ARE we all stupid? Are there actually that many people falling for this?

    I think it’s the media’s deliberate manipulating of information and humanity’s natural bystander effect

    Specifically one study where students had to complete an exam and they pumped smoke under the door to see the results:

    According to the principle of social influence, bystanders monitor the reactions of other people in an emergency situation to see if others think that it is necessary to intervene. If it is determined that others are not reacting to the situation, bystanders will interpret the situation as not an emergency and will not intervene.

    The media portraying the genocide are calmly telling burgerland that everything is fine, something people universally want to believe. It’s not that we can’t. in fact when students were alone in the smoky room they were much faster to report the smoke. But when they were in groups they did not.

    Referring to the smoke experiment, even though students in the groups had clearly noticed the smoke which had become so thick that it was obscuring their vision, irritating their eyes or causing them to cough, they were still unlikely to report it. Only one participant in the group condition reported the smoke within the first four minutes, and by the end of the experiment, no-one from five of eight groups had reported the smoke at all.

    I think this is kinda close to the dynamic i mean. The “smoke” of the genocide (and expanding war) is literally in yanks faces but for the calming effect of the media they still trust, acting as they always do, as if hundreds of thousands of lives aren’t catching in their fucking throats.

    Similarly, interpretations of the context played an important role in people’s reactions to a man and woman fighting in the street. When the woman yelled, “Get away from me; I don’t know you,” bystanders intervened 65 percent of the time, but only 19 percent of the time when the woman yelled, "Get away from me; I don’t know why I ever married you.“

    And here i might be really stretching but i say here is where the lie “they’ve been fighting for thousands of years” works on the masses, who don’t know Israel is an invention younger than the sitting president.

    Woof effort posting is hard I’m gonna stop








  • Personally, i think we should accept all kinds of beliefs, even that of bigots. We cannot make it a crime to have certain thoughts, only actions/behaviours should be punishable.

    This is where it gets hairy, since allowing hateful thoughts to be spoken causes real hateful violent actions/behaviors from those they incite. By respecting this “right of bigoted ideas to be received respectfully”, the creators of this violence are free to act the way we know they do, that is with no respect for human life. Worse, they avoid blame for what they directly cause thru their hate.

    The paradox of debating with those whose beliefs are hateful is: where does it stop being useful and become hurtful? When does being respectful towards hateful ideas become disrespectful to the targets of that hate? Is it possible that by treating hateful ideas respectfully at all you validate them as beliefs that respectable people have?

    I think we would both agree there’s a vileness line somewhere, yeah? Where you’d stop entertaining their reasoning and shut down debate?

    Maybe we even agree on where that line is.

    Insults are useful i think and as you say, that’s where we don’t.

    Why shouldn’t hateful ideas be made fun of? People entertaining hateful ideas are watching and learning how the world will react to themselves doing the same. Shitheads being treated respectfully makes the watcher believe the ideas are worth respecting. Gets them thinking “respectfully” is how their hateful words will be received. Gets them closer to repeating them louder.

    What possible good things can come from allowing hate to be respected? Treat hateful racist ideas with the same respect as flat-earthers, because the idea itself and the people that hold them are foolish.

    And why not hurt them? I suppose you don’t have a problem with their hurt feelings, but the effectiveness of this tactic, right? I can probably find historical evidence that shame is effective social tool if you want.

    Just imagine if Musk (for example) had to do a parade through the streets like cercei in GoT, televised round the globe.

    Betcha he’d shut his gob then, huh?

    And the world would be better for it. Shameful ideas deserve shame and shame is an effective tool. Every effective tool used against facism is a morally just tool.