• starman2112@sh.itjust.works
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    “behaves very fascist”

    Yeah those evil fascist protestors doing violence, waving American flags, demanding strict social hierarchies, with ultra-right-wing views

    /s

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          Reasons why I think Antifa is fascist:

          1. they paint people they don’t like as ‘Nazis’ - just like right wing fascists like to paint everyone they don’t like as a ‘jew’
          2. they endorse violence against these ‘Nazis’
          3. they self-radicalize by echo-chambering, removing themselves farther and farther from the “real world”

          Do you not agree with these statements?

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            Are they also ultra-nationalist, ultra-right-wing, and in favor of strict social hierarchies? There’s more to fascism than just being mean to people you don’t like

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              According to Britannica:

              Fascism : a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government

              While what I described is not centrally controlled by a dictator (and anyone claiming that Antifa was centrally controlled is a nutcase, I agree), the way Antifa as a collective behaves does try to “control the lives of people, not allowing them to disagree with them” - at least in my opinion. You’re free to have your own.

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                Ok but that’s not fascism

                Like, according to your own definition that you linked, and your own opinion of the control structure of Antifa, they don’t match up

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                “control the lives of people, not allowing them to disagree with them” - at least in my opinion.

                The right uses political and actual violence to prevent people from being themselves. That’s not a disagreement. That’s actual fascism.

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                  While I don’t agree with the right’s current direction - I’m talking about Switzerland/Germany, not America here - I have not seen a single incident where they use political and actual violence to get their point across - where I’ve seen that a lot from the left.

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                    Right wing violence is all over the news the last three years in Germany.

                    I do however see that Antifa in the EU seem to be a lot more militant than here in the U.S.