cross-posted from: https://lemmy.basedcount.com/post/114721
My humble takes on the most popular Lemmy instances, or “how to piss off the whole Fediverse with a single meme”.
Here are the links to each one of the mentioned instances:
Far Left Centre Left Centre Right Far Right Lemmygrad Exploding Heads Hexbear Lemmy.ml Lemmy.world Beehaw Pricefield Lemmy Based Count sh.itjust.works Blåhaj Lemmy Divisions by zero Lemmy NSFW Hack Liberty
Blahaj zone and beehaw don’t abuse defederation. Both instances use it for the exact purpose needed to achieve their goals. And I like that.
Literally the main reason I’m on blahaj zone is because I’m a trans lesbian and really don’t want to deal with the shit I’ve seen on the blocked instances.
The whole point of the fediverse is you join one that aligns with your values and queer phobic stuff is a hard line nope from me. It’s like the one place I feel reporting stuff actually does something.
Beehaw even said they’ll refederate with certain instances if/when moderation tools improve. The main problem is that there’s not a lot you can do to block off problematic users from instances on an individual basis.
I don’t disagree with that, I even said that much in the blahaj quadrant. I just wish there was an easier way to fix these problems instead of burning bridges, because they sure burn a lot of them.
Burnt bridges can’t be rebuilt. Refederation is always a possibility.
Beehaw has said they won’t defederate until Lemmy has better moderation tools. Which is something that is totally out of our control. I have no idea of better moderation tools or even on the road map and if they are I have no idea where on the road map they are.
No one does, there’s a whole discourse around the lack of a real roadmap for Lemmy and what the primary devs’ goals are. Hopefully it’ll happen someday, I guess.
If people took more than 30 seconds to read instead of being immediately reactionary, they’d have long since known beehaw’s defederations are due to a lack of lemmy’s own moderation tools currently.
But you can’t expect anyone to read anything. 😅
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I did read their entire statement, and while I can understand the reasoning behind it, I don’t agree with their whole defederation thing they have going on
Gotta be an ass? Leave that shit in your last social media of choice.
If that comment was enough to get you this upset, I don’t think you’re gonna last on any “social media of choice.” Better get out while you still can. 👀
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Political compass is a cringe concept ngl
Believing in it is. As a tool of expression it has limited uses. But ultimately it’s an abstraction ungrounded from objective reality.
isn’t the option to ignore an instance as a user coming to Lemmy real soon? I need that, hexbear can go fly a kite
Some apps have it, I use it on Connect.
hmm yes sadly Sync doesn’t have that option yet. Butthat combined with a browser extension to filter posts on the website could work fine thosync does have that option. its in the settings under filters, you can filter whole instances
/edit: settings->general->filters->instance filters
oh nice, thank you!
Sync’s filter doesn’t block comments unfortunately, so it’s of little help against users from Hexbear when they brigade.
Yes it is. Hopefully with 0.18.5, I’d like to think it’s been made a higher priority now.
This compass is almost as stupid as the original political compass. Nice work with this unscientific filth.
I bet OP’s understanding of politics can be succinctly summarized by this video lol
Like in what world does lemmy.world lean to the right? It’s full of leftists and liberals, I think I’ve seen like two people who sounded like they leaned to the right.
“I went to the instance and read a post and it was right wing so they are right wing”
TIL i am right wing because I have an account on lemmy.world. now that’s scyense!
I think lemmy.world is just labeled slightly rightwing because of blocking the piracy communities.
You might be right but that’s a weird stance to take.
I just wish everyone understood that hosting a website that lets thousands of anonymous people talk and post whatever they want can be anxiety-provoking. Imagine waking up and the front page of the site you own is hosting CSAM or being served a legal document that you’re now being sued by CompanyX over hosting of pirated content.
The dark web, p2p networks, bittorrent etc all exist to fly somewhat under the radar, and they seem to be less closely regulated because they require a certain level of experience to even use. The web and apps in the app store on the other hand are easily accessible with a few clicks or taps and not much knowledge. I’ll just say that I’ve worked as a web developer for different companies and whenever we had “DCMA takedown requests” we usually had one of the higher-ups walk over to our desk and waited until they knew all copies of those files were completely removed from their servers. I’m just talking about things like breaking embargo and showing images of a product before it’s been released, not piracy or CSAM. Now figure the instance owners likely don’t have a legal team of their own, so even the threat of a lawsuit means no more instance for everyone.
Nothing right or left wing about that. People don’t like getting sued and having to lose everything.
The thing is that those communities weren’t distributing pirated content. The were discussing priacy which is perfectly legal no mater how you stretch the law. Also the legal argument is bogus anyways considering division by zero, the instance that hosts that priacy community and sever others like it, is hosted in Germany which is among the countries with the harshest anti-piracy laws. It’s not like it’s some back alley dark web instance. If they were doing anything remotely illegal piracy wise the German government would have shut them down immediately. The only real reason for blocking those communities is a moral one and the anti piracy moral stance does strike me as slightly auth-right.
The difference between what you described and what I described is moderation and rules. It’s just risk and risk level that the volunteers who run the instance are willing to put up with.
Have you considered creating your own instance? If you aren’t in the US this might be easier for you to take on this risk than say US admins.
And if blocking is the concern, just get an account on the priacy instance! Easy peasy.
Liberals lean to the right.
Is there an ijustwanna.grill?
Lemmy.be would be a good domain for grill centrists
I’m in the Lemmy.world bubble trying to educate myself about the rest and evaluate if I might need to migrate someplace else. And also trying to figure out the difference between instances. But I can’t figure out what “based” means or is referring to?
Thanks for this btw! It’s really informative
I’m going to
shillsuggest lemm.ee, it’s a lovely instance that isn’t defederated from most (for better or worse, some people can’t stand hexbear but soon lemmy will add the ability to block instances at the user level, rather than defederating) and the lead admin is very sharp with the development - he’s even helped other instances when they’ve had major issues and he’s made various contributions to the lemmy codebase. It always feels like we’re getting the latest and slickest version of everything, with fewer bugs than other instances.Blocking instances on the user level doesn’t solve the core issue which is that Hexbear brigades, trolls and harasses enmasse in the first place. Their comments might be hidden for you, but they’re still a problem for everyone else. Blocking them is really just putting a bandaid over the problem.
Hexbear doesn’t brigade from what I’ve seen, there’s just more of them and they’re very active. If a post is at the top of your feed it’s likely to be at the top of theirs also.
If you haven’t seen it, that’s genuinely surprising. It’s what they’re known for at this point. Any thread about China, Russia or Ukraine gets flooded by them on any instance still federated with them. They shut down discussion, spam huge ugly emojis, and argue in bad faith to defend authoritarian regimes. They aren’t being defederated enmasse for being well-behaved.
The huge emojis is a lemmy bug, one which has basically been fixed (at least the lemm.ee admin seems to have fixed it, I imagine he’s pushed the code to the main stack but others won’t necessarily have adopted it yet).
I remember seeing a bit of a burst of them interacting with stuff when they first federated, but since then it died down massively - and not just because they’d been defederated, but in the threads they were still a part of. The novelty quickly wore off and users on both sides started noticing where they were posting more (hexbear users when they step out and lemmy users when they went in to hexbear) and behaving accordingly. Frankly, I’ve seen far more posts spamming moans about them than actual things to moan about.
Do you still feel this way? I bought that excuse prior to our federation with them, but they literally made 1000 comments on the first post made on our main community about them. Then when another user made a post on our main community asking how to block them, they brigaded that post too. I understand that they have a large and active userbase, but that’s completely irrelevant. Lemmy.world is 10x the size of hexbear and their users have never disrupted out local communities like that in 3 months of federation, hexbear did it multiple times within 24 hours.
I don’t understand how that can be classified as anything other than brigading. They did the same shit to blahaj.zone and lemmy.nz, and those are only the ones I witnessed firsthand, I’m sure there are many other examples.
Brigading is where people go from one post in one place to another post. Eg, when hexbear have a post about some argument they had somewhere else, if users came from that post and found the original post that could be brigading - particularly if users are calling to arms to get people to go there, or linking directly to it. Generally, hexbear users do not do this. Hexbear users see the same feeds we do, as such they see the posts and they participate in them.
I think they’re abrasive and many of them seem to get off on that, but the best way is to generally not engage with those ones and have civil discourse with those that are a little more mature.
“Based” means the person using it thinks whatever they’re referring to is incredibly awesome, a paragon of virtue.
You’re absolutely right about pricefield lemmy, it’s super cute.
As a former user of lemmy.world. I agree with this meme. That place is even worse than reddit.
Oh it’s awful. I hated it there and tried to not engage. It would have been helpful to know what each instance was like when I made an account on each of them.
Why the hell is beehaw so far left
Because it is one of the most left leaning instances? Where would you put it?
It seems more center-left to me
We ask people to be nice to each other. That’s pretty far left these days. 😂
My favorite part was that it points out what OP clearly thinks are flaws in Beehaw’s strategy but concedes that the strategy has worked.
Where do you place us Sopuli users, QuentinCallaghan? 😃
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Monero.town? Yeah, that user was nutty.
Shit just works almost allowed 1 conservative community is your bar for far right? Lol I’d say they’re pretty centrist but I don’t know the details of the banned community.
So that’s why Ive not been seeing half my subscriptions. Guess I gotta swap instances again.
Where would you place the diy focused lemmies?
I dunno, ask the maker of this, @Nerd02@lemmy.basedcount.com.
I guess I’m off to meet my maker. Later nerds!
Oh hey sup, looks like my meme got reposted to a spin off PCM community I wasn’t even aware of, thanks for spreading the good word.
I suppose DIY folks would lean libright, something about wanting to fix your own stuff without having to rely on a community (communities tend to be associated with the left) + right to repair and wanting to do things your own way (libertarian).
… but of course without an instance or a community list to look at it’s hard to tell @JoShmoe@lemmy.zip.
