I’ve tried to search for opinions on what’s going on in Ukraine, but most posts are incredibly old. I’m not too educated on the matter myself (well, aside from keeping up most of the time with what cities are under whose control and all of that). I haven’t really heard much about the geopolitical side of things, and it’s hard to know what’s disinfo or not; That’s why I’d like to ask: What is your stance on the Ukraine war?
there was this story i read a long time ago about an american soldier in iraq, talking to an iraqi interpreter who is smoking a cigarette, the american asks him why they were fighting each other (iraq and kuwait) despite them looking the same, dressing the same and, speaking the same language.
so the interpreter takes a long drag of his cigarette, (something along of the lines of) “they’ll keep killing each other until they get tired of it and go home.”
i may have gotten the countries wrong, but I know I got the general main line of the story remembered.
I’m new to lemmygrad, but i think that the general principle of Marxists Leninist is to liberate the working class. Then I think everything else breaks into strategies and etc which of course people have different stances on like moves in chess
some liberals feel putin is to blame, some people say nato expansion, and some lads are saying the 2009 recession was never properly dealt with - that we are now facing the contradictions of capitalism in the form of war.
at the end of it all, the war sucks and most likely foretelling of more conflicts (and subsequently more suffering)to come. (regardless the way the media wants to frame the war, it is the people who suffer)
In what world is putin not to blame, didnt he order his troop to attack ukraine?
hi, you are correct in an interpretation - my understanding is that the way marxists tend to analyse subjects is through how the broader system in general functions.
Trying to think of an example i probably would say something like, the story of the scorpion and the frog, while some would interpret that the fault of the drowning of the pair was due to the venom in the scorpion’s stinger or the individual scorpion.
mean while the marxist would interpret that it was in the inherent nature of the scorpian to doom them, and from their interactions at the beginning of the conversation the dominos began to fall. the last domino in the chain being the perishing of both. (or you could go even further and say new life would spawn from the remains)
Norhing is forever, nobody is here with a reason, we are all going to die.
But ukraine is not comparable to the helpless stupid frog in this story. They know about his nature to doom.
i think we are at a misunderstanding, the story of the frog and the scorpion was not a interpretation of the ukraine war, but an attempt of how marxists analyse systems that spawn results such as wars.
it was to help be an abstract explanation of a way of thinking, and not suppose to be a 1 to 1 representation of the war.
But how does this way of thinking lead to supporting hitler(putin)?
Im not saing you do, but this seems to be the trend here.
it could be interpreted that a principle of Marxism is to question everything, it is a way of thinking critically, it results in people developing multiple different understandings, and while there is “truth” in everything, arguably only one understanding is “correct”.
A way that the multiple interpretations can be understood is akin to the fractured groups that call themselves the followers of Christ (ALTHOUGH MARXISM IS NOT A RELIGION, it is a way of thinking critically).
There exist the Jehovah witnesses, roman Catholics, and protestants. their opinions differ so greatly in the interpretation of the bible to warrant breaking off from each other to form a new group but would still unify with each other under the symbol of the cross under existential threat (or seeking community in place hostile to christians).
We as Marxists, have different interpretations - while there exists only one “correct” answer, and of course we like any other group that have existed for atleast a century have those who call themselves Marxists but whose deeds would be considered abhorrent by the majority of “principled” marxists.
I would say from my limited readings that the main directive of the marxists is to liberate the workers of the world from the injustices of capitalism, how to get there is another story.
tl;dr people read marx, people think, people have thoughts, only one thought “right”, which thought right???