• loathsome dongeater@lemmygrad.ml
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    5 hours ago

    I think this framing as “complicit in genocide” is harmful and unfortunately very successful. As I see it Israel is nothing but a proxy for American interests and activities in the surrounding region. It is almostly wholly subsidised, propped up and secured by American aid. If America were to divest itself from Israel, Israel would cease to exist the next day even if assistance from Euroghouls were to continue. America is one doing the genocide.

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      4 hours ago

      No logic in your argument. If American investment in Israel would stop now, of course the country wouldn’t cease to exist. That’s magical thinking. Did the US create the mindsets of orthodox jews, radicalised settlers or right-wing nutjobs serving as long-term PMs?

      Of course not. It’s not untypical. We find this kind of hatred against a neighbor all over the world. In this sense Israel demonstrates very well that they are not a “chosen people” but a horribly regular people.

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        The US sees the existence of Israel as strategically important. The constant flow of weapons and other resources into it is clear evidence of this (if the words of it’s leaders somehow wasn’t).

        Before the US it was the UK and for a time even Nazi Germany, albeit before Israel formally existed.

        If the US knew that Israel could fill it’s strategic role without further investment it would transfer those resources to another project. That’s ample evidence that Israel requires these resources.

        The US didn’t create a state governed and populated by radicals, but they required it.

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          Yes I agree with you that Israel requires these resources to continue it’s militaristic course of action with the goal of extermination. If it didn’t have these resources anymore, it wouldn’t cease to exist. It would need to change this course if it wants to survive.