• ramble81
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    So what about things like cURL, wget, Invoke-Webrequest, straight up nc calls. Where does the line exist?

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      It’s not about making it impossible to reach certain sites. It’s about making it harder for normies. Take a guess if your neighbor knows about wget.

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        No, it’s not. It’s just not. The important question is how the law is written. Wild guess: they won’t target “browsers”. They’ll target “means to display remote content” or some shit to not have people rename browsers to surfers to evade that law. And depending on how generic they’ll make it sound, it’ll be a pain for not only every piece of software but maybe also stuff like digital binoculars or phone sex companies or whatever.

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          They won’t do that because they are stupid ignorant idiots. They don’t make a law like that with a purpose in mind, they are filling an excel sheet.

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            This is dangerously wrong. This is a classic foot-in-the-door law. They test the waters with something nobody can argue against, like piracy, child porn, terrorism. Then the censoring gets broader and broader until you can’t access left-wing stuff anymore because it’s anti-governmental. There is a very specific, very dangerous purpose in mind.

  • RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca
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    As Mozilla points out, there are numerous safe browsing systems to which you can opt in — opting in being the key here — and there’s nothing preventing any entity, the French government included, from creating their own software, browser extension, or DNS service for anti-fraud purposes. They don’t need legislation for that, but they do need laws to force software providers to implement a non-optional, government-operated blacklist of “no-no” sites they deem unacceptable for any reason they see fit; it will absolutely not be limited to fraud alone.

    France’s proposal is so stupefyingly contrived, it’s so obvious this is the true intention.

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      What’s even more evil is that we already have dns filtering for isp. Somehow, by making this new law they are acknowledging the old one was stupidly ineffective.

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    Edge got a shitstorm for in-browser self ads on the chrome page, now in-browser censoring? The internet bows down to EU, sure, but one nosy country? If at all the official download links for France would be laced, but not anywhere else i.e. its gonna be yet another joykiller for normies, like… even the thought of maintainers pushing another release specificially for a country is laughable. That’s my assessment anyways. Signed

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    Well, they’ve heard people can use a VPN to bypass the current blocking (which is done by the ISP, usually through the DNS server) so they are looking for alternatives. It’s only natural.

    As far as I know, all governments block websites. What would be more interesting is comparing which one sensors the most.

    edit: to be clear, what I mean is: the method used by governments to censor the web is not as important as what is being censored. And I wish there was a simple way to monitor what is censored by each state.

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        Oh, I wouldn’t even count China, NK and Russia. They block so many websites they are in their own category.

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      (Nearly) all governments limit car speeds on public roads, with external enforcement (fines, road design, etc.).

      Yet AFAIK no government enforces the national speed limit through a speed limiter on cars.

      Exact same goal, maybe even result, but I’m uncomfortable with the semantics.

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    Why do they need to petition it? Mozilla is an American corporation, if they just ignore it, can France do anything punitive to them?

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      They could have the ISPs block Mozilla web presence I suppose.

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        I’m in favor (as a french). This would give one more reason for people to be angry. And they need to be.

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              We got pretty angry at that retirement age shit, which has arguably more reach. Still got written into law…

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                Do you think that feeling got away? It didn’t. People are still angry and more censorship would help them stand again

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        ISPs in France, sure. They would have to convince ISPs elsewhere in the world to do it, and it wouldn’t be a popular move if ISPs start letting foreign governments censor stuff. Would the ISPs decide the bad press is worth making the French government happy, is the question.

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          Sorry I wasn’t intending to imply that isps out of France would comply, just that getting the French ones to block Mozilla would prevent the vast majority of the country from accessing their browser (at current level of technical acuity).