Ever since reading about her at a table with Putin and Flynn at a Russian state propaganda outlets fundraiser during the initial Trump election, and her subsequently getting significant boosts and support from Russia during the 2016 election….
I just can’t trust her. Even if she was just getting played for a fool by the company she kept, that’s a level of dangerously ignorant that isn’t appropriate in a political leader in my opinion. That’s giving her significant benefit of the doubt, the worse case is that she knew exactly what she was doing.
So you read the propaganda about her and the table with Putin and Flynn, but you didn’t read the information coming from the Senate Intelligence Committee about that dinner that said it was a nothingbuger?
So you read the pieces that challenge what I believe, but how about the sources that validate my opinion? Let’s ignore all the other evidence and focus on that
What other sources are you referring to that are more reputable than the debate intelligence committee?
Doesn’t change my opinion of her at all, but I respect and support your right to that opinion. I’m actually not voting for her anyway, but I still support her goals.
I m actually not voting for her anyway
Legitimately curious. What made you change your mind, when the first ~1000 comments you made in your account’s first two weeks on Lemmy were so vehemently and exclusively supportive of her?
My chosen candidate, Rachele Fruit of the Socialist Workers Party, is now on the ballot in my state. Before, that option wasn’t available. While I still support Jill Stein and her goals, Fruit aligns more closely with my socialist values, and now I can actually vote for her. I’m still a huge Jill Stein fan tho.
Astroturfed some agendas, maybe.
I like what Green says. Nobody knows what Green does. I’d be happy enough to throw them some votes for a municipal or county level seat or two to see what they do with it, but a Green vote is a wasted vote at the Federal level right now.
*points up* that’s me, voting my conscience.
edit: minor typo for grammar
And I support and respect your right to vote for who you want. As I’ll vote for who I want–that’s me, voting my conscience.
Oh hey. We meet again.
How’s things for you? Have you been getting breaks and adequate hydration? I just had a nice vacation, myself.
Its getting interesting around here, no?
It’s always interesting around here. Isn’t diversity of opinion and thought awesome?!
Diversity of opinion that goes against the grain of the echo chamber is never welcome around these parts.
This sounds like something that a person with incredibly unpopular views would whine about
Diversity of opinion that goes against the grain of the echo chamber is never welcome around these parts.
Exactly! It’s funny how they preach about democracy while refusing to practice it in their own comments. lol
The green party is more interested in messaging than they are in getting actual positive change done. They have no interest in actually fixing the system, they just want to bitch about it. It’d be really cool if they could get on the same team, but as it stands now the green party is 100% functioning as an asset to the Trump campaign and they’re doing it willingly.
Jill Stein is not a serious person. She shows up every 4 years and does nothing but spread bullshit talking points very similar to most of the content OP posts. Fluff about how evil the duopoly is and exactly zero about how helping the GOP win helps us.
Greens are in other elections besides presidential:
Californians have elected 55 of the 226 office-holding Greens nationwide. Other states with high numbers of Green elected officials include Pennsylvania (31), Wisconsin (23), Massachusetts (18) and Maine (17). Maine has the highest per capita number of Green elected officials in the country and the largest Green registration percentage with more than 29,273 Greens comprising 2.95% of the electorate as of November 2006.[68] Madison, Wisconsin is the city with the most Green elected officials (8), followed by Portland, Maine (7).
He won’t see this because he blocked me, but he’s either intentionally lying or using an inaccurate source. There are currently only 142 Greens in elected office in the US. No federal positions, eight state positions (though most were not elected as Greens), and the rest have been local/municipal elections.
I never knew there were so many! Can you provide your source for this? I’m having trouble finding numbers that agree.
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_of_the_United_States#Membership
Tho someone else mentioned they have updated numbers. But I haven’t looked at the website they cited yet.
Ah, well you should check out your source because it doesn’t agree with the numbers you posted. Though it’s possible I’m misreading the numbers from wiki.
I just did a cut and paste from the wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_of_the_United_States#Membership
The Green Party’s membership encompasses the fourth-highest percentage of registered voters in the United States, with a total membership of 234,120.[71] The Green Party has its strongest popular support on the Pacific Coast, Upper Great Lakes, and Northeast, as reflected in the geographical distribution of Green candidates elected.[72] As of June 2007, Californians have elected 55 of the 226 office-holding Greens nationwide. Other states with high numbers of Green elected officials include Pennsylvania (31), Wisconsin (23), Massachusetts (18) and Maine (17). Maine has the highest per capita number of Green elected officials in the country and the largest Green registration percentage with more than 29,273 Greens comprising 2.95% of the electorate as of November 2006.[73] Madison, Wisconsin is the city with the most Green elected officials (8), followed by Portland, Maine (7).
This is what it is showing me right now.
What is Wikipedia showing you? I’m looking at the page right now as I type this and just cut and pasted that
I don’t have a horse in this race, but 2007 seems a little outdated, and there even is a wiki page for this exact topic, maybe you could use this for future discussions.
That is more updated. I’ll try using that in the future. Thank you!
EDIT: LOL at the downvotes of a comment saying I’ll use the most updated info from the user that helped. :)
Updated source (thanks to @SyntaxTerror@feddit.org for the info) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Green_politicians_who_have_held_office_in_the_United_States
State-Level Green Party Officials (Former)
- Shane Robinson - Maryland, House, District 39 (2011-2019)
- Henry Bear - Maine, House, District 144 (2013-2019)
- Ralph Chapman - Maine, House, District 133 (2010-2019)
- Fred Smith - Arkansas, House, District 50 (2011-2015)
- Richard Carroll - Arkansas, House, District 39 (2009-2011)
- John Eder - Maine, House, District 118 (2003-2007)
- Matt Ahearn - New Jersey, General Assembly, District 38 (2002-2004)
- Audie Bock - California, State Assembly, District 16 (1999-2000)
Current Green Party Mayors
- Peter Schwartzman - Galesburg, Illinois (2021-2025)
- Bruce Delgado - Marina, California (2008-2024)
- Emmanuel Estrada - Baldwin Park, California (2020-2024)
Former Green Party Mayors
- John Reed - Fairfax, California
- Mike Feinstein - Santa Monica, California
- David Doonan - Greenwich, New York
- Kelley Wearvering - Cordova, Alaska
- Robb Davis - Davis, California
- Peter Gleichman - Ward, Colorado
- Jim Sullivan - Victory, New York
- Jason West - New Paltz, New York
Current Green Party City & County Council Members
- Sylvia R. Chavez - Calipatria, California
- David Conley - Douglas County, Wisconsin
- Josiah Dean - Dufur, Oregon
- Becky Elder - Manitou Springs, Colorado
- Bob Gifford - Portage County, Wisconsin
- Renée Goddard - Fairfax, California
- David Grover - Trinidad, California
- Damon Jespersen - Newbury, Massachusetts
- John Keener - Pacifica, California
- Rebecca Kemble - Madison, Wisconsin
- Paul Pitino - Arcata, California
- Marsha A. Rummel - Madison, Wisconsin
- George P. Steeves - Southbridge, Massachusetts
- Anna Trevorrow - Portland, Maine
- Daniel Welsh - Lewisboro, New York
- Heidi Weigleitner - Dane County, Wisconsin
- Stephen Zollman - Sebastopol, California
Former Green Party City & County Council Members
- Peter Schwartzman - Galesburg, Illinois
- George Altgelt - Laredo, Texas
- Michael Beilstein - Corvallis, Oregon
- Bruce Delgado - Marina, California
- Jessica Bradshaw - Carbondale, Illinois
- Michael Cornell - River Hill Village
- Jennifer Dotson - Ithaca, New York
- Kathleen Fitzpatrick - Mosier, Oregon
- Gail Garrett - Mount Washington, Massachusetts
- Matt Gonzalez - San Francisco, California
- Cam Gordon - Minneapolis, Minnesota
- Art Goodtimes - San Miguel County, Colorado
- Daniel Hamburg - Mendocino County, California
- Michelle Haynes - Norwood, Colorado
- Gary Hull - Sharpsburg, Maryland
- Tanya Ishikawa - Federal Heights, Colorado
- Brian Kehoe - Catskill, New York
- Jason Kirkpatrick - Arcata, California
- Mary Jo Long - Afton, New York
- Tom Mair - Grand Traverse County, Michigan
- Sarah Marsh - Fayetteville, Arkansas
- Merrily Mazza - Lafayette, Colorado
- Gayle McLaughlin - Richmond, California
- Ross Mirkarimi - San Francisco, California
- Leland Pan - Dane County, Wisconsin
- Dona Spring - Berkeley, California
- Chuck Turner - Boston, Massachusetts
Other Green Party Local Officials (Current)
- Michael Clary - Coos County, Oregon
- Jennifer Baker - Napa Valley College, California
- Matthew Clark - San Mateo County
- Billy Gene Collins - Waterford, Connecticut
- Carl D’Amato - Waterford, Connecticut
- Daphne Dixon - Fairfield, Connecticut
- Matt Donahue - Benton County, Oregon
- Maureen Doyle - Southbridge, Massachusetts
- Andrew Frascarelli - Waterford, Connecticut
- Frank Gatti - Amherst, Massachusetts
- Michael Paul Hansen - Humboldt County, California
- Jane Jarlsberg - San Bernardino County, California
- Joshua Steele Kelly - Waterford, Connecticut
- Vincent O’Connor - Amherst, Massachusetts
- Sharron Parra - Hyampom, California
- Vahe Peroomian - Glendale Community College, California
- John Powell - Montecito, California
- Colleen Ann Reidy - Thompsonville, Connecticut
- Rebecca Rotzler - New Paltz, New York
- Leif Smith - Redding, Connecticut
- Darcy Van Ness - Waterford, Connecticut
- Baird Welch-Collins - Waterford, Connecticut
- Randy Marx - Fair Oaks Water District, Sacramento County, California
- Fred McCann - Portland Water District, Portland, Maine
- Garrett Erven - Red Wing, Minnesota
Other Green Party Local Officials (Former)
- John Amarilios - New Canaan, Connecticut
- Korie Blyveis - Newberg Township, Michigan
- Hector Lopez - New Canaan, Connecticut
- Kim O’Connor - Hillsborough County, Florida
- Jill Stein - Lexington, Massachusetts
- Raymond C. Meyer - Lucas County Health Center, Iowa
- Amy Martenson - Napa Valley College, California
- MK Merelice - Brookline, Massachusetts
- Anna Trevorrow - Portland, Maine
If by “transformed” you mean “killed”, sure.
How did that “Green New Deal” work out?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_New_Deal
"The first U.S. politician to run on a Green New Deal platform was Howie Hawkins of the Green Party when he ran for governor of New York in 2010.[10] Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein ran on a Green New Deal platform in 2012 and 2016.[11]
In the 2014 Congressional race in California, Independent candidate for CA-33 and author Marianne Williamson endorsed the Green New Deal in her campaign platform.[68]"
It’s a punchline, not a policy.
Jill Stein has caused untold damage to the environmental movement and should go away and never come back.
Meh, I like her. I’m not voting for her, but I like her.
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To save you all some time:
I posted an article that’s already widely available on a much bigger platform than Lemmy. I didn’t write it or create the content. It’s already out there for anyone to see, so all I did was share it here for discussion. If you disagree with the article itself, that’s fine, but calling for it to be censored or accusing me of pushing an agenda simply because it’s not what you want to read seems misguided. Open debate requires different perspectives, not shutting down content you don’t like.
I’m done wasting my time trying to convince you that I’m not a Republican, that I don’t live in Russia, or that despite posting hundreds of socialist articles to the socialist community, I’m somehow not a socialist. If that’s what you want to believe, fine, go ahead.
If you’re getting worked up over a news article I didn’t even write, that’s on you. Be mad if you want, but it’s not my job to prove anything to you. I’ll share my opinion, and you can take it or leave it. Either way, not my problem.
In the past, when I’ve tried to defend myself, people accuse me of not listening. If I stay quiet, they take it as guilt.
Here’s the deal: I’m still going to post what I want in this community because what I’m posting fits within the theme and guidelines of this community which celebrates diversity of thought and opinion.
So, go ahead and expect me to copy and paste this comment into the many, many arguments you’re going to try and start. Whether you believe me or not, it’s not my job to prove anything to you. I’ll share my opinion, and you can take it or leave it. Not my problem. :)
Another new name change, huh? Neat.
Here’s the deal: I’m still going to post what I want in this community because what I’m posting fits within the theme and guidelines of this community which celebrates diversity of thought and opinion.
Moderation across lemmy seems to think of their role as filtering for specific agendas. Its unacceptable.
This is a political news article posted to a political news community, not one exclusively for pro-Harris or strictly pro-Democrat content. If someone feels it doesn’t fit the guidelines, I’d recommend that they feel free to reach out to the mods. They do an awesome job managing this community.
Pointing out the effect of left-leaning voters voting for a spoiler candidate is not a call for this to be a strictly pro-Harris forum. That’s a strawman argument; you should address the actual one.
you should address the actual one.
I’m under no obligation to address anything. I posted an article that’s already widely available on a much bigger platform than Lemmy. I didn’t write it or create the content. It’s already out there for anyone to see, so all I did was share it here for discussion.
Moderation across lemmy seems to think of their role as filtering for specific agendas. Its unacceptable.
True! But the mods here are pretty cool.
I mean, I dont agree with that. Most are fine. Some are clearly editorial in their moderation.
Well I should clarify then: From what I have noticed here, the mods seem cool to me. :)
I mean, its an perspective you are completely entitled to and i don’t hold it against you.
I’ve just seen too much evidence to the contrary. At the same time, its a pretty crappy job that I don’t envy. I think we need better technical solutions that both support mods and make their jobs less crappy, but also prevent moderators from being able to “own” a sub like politics or world. I think we should recognize that subs and conversations are something we all create with our interactions and that no one owns them individually; it was one of my primary issues with reddit, that they thought they owned something they did not create, our conversations. There are some people who are mods on major subs on lemmy who should never be in a position of authority and act like tin-pot dictators.
Two things I think would massively help (that don’t involve a technical fix):
First, no moderation from the bench. If you are involved in a thread having a conversation, you are not permitted to moderate in that thread. If moderation is required, they need to call in a second mod.
Second, mods have to follow the rules as well, and are not permitted to create rules on an ad-hoc basis. Rules should go through a committee where the guiding principal should be minority right, majority rule. Minority opinions should not be silenced due because of moderators and have the right to exist. Toxic moderation is a serious issue and has helped to create a culture of abuse and brigading in this sub.
We have some real challenges to consider as we continue to develop the fediverse.
I agee with what you are saying. I think those are great points!
