@fuck_cars Something I wish Australia would change is laws prohibiting any vehicles between a 200W ebike and a full motorcycle. I’d get a lot of value from a 60kmph limited 1kW ebike. But currently to sell such a thing it would have to comply with all motorcycle requirements, and things like ABS on both wheels is really not required for such a device.a
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You don’t have mopeds? Mopeds are usually good for at least 45 kmph?
@TDCN mopeds are classed the same as motor bikes, so their aren’t cheap options.
@TDCN sorry, I was slightly wrong, but right enough for the state I live in, mopeds here still need a motor bike licence
Damn that’s inconvenient!
Do you have size difference one your motorbike licenses at least so you can get a smaller one like in EU. Here we have 3 sizes and the access to them are depended on age and experience from the smaller size. The smallest one is iirc max 13 Hp. It’s still a lot more than a moped I know so doesn’t really answer the issue.
@LovesTha @fuck_cars at what point do you need better-than-minimal brakes and lights? What training and what PPE should be required? If Are you a motorcycle rider and so know what 60 on 2 wheels means?
All of those are wonderful questions that should be answered within the next X months by the appropriate government agency. And of course it’s not just in that state in Australia. We see variations of this in many places around the world.
So although I think you were trying to ask those rhetorically, actually we all agree with you, those answers should be forthcoming.
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@LovesTha @fuck_cars Do you want to be allowed to ride this thing on footpaths and bike paths like an e-bike? I hope not. Do you want to ride on the road at 50kmh? Great, get a 50cc/electric moped and pay insurance and registration and have a licence. Want to go faster? Get a motorbike. Each of these categories already exist. You can’t have a free-to-register uninsured 60kmh powered bike on the bike path for good reason.
Sounds like it depends on your state. Most states let you drive a moped (petrol or electric) on a car license.
https://zootscooters.com.au/do-i-need-a-licence-for-a-scooter-or-moped-in-australia/
Generally they’re limited to 50km/h and 50CC/4kW to be a moped, rather than a motorcycle.
If you’re doing 60km/h you need proper brake lights and ABS.
@SomeoneSomewhere push bikes don’t have a speed limit
Push bikes have a power limit because humans are pretty power limited, which results in speeds of not much more that 30-40km/h unless you find a really big hill.
E-bikes are supposed to be both power and speed limited to about 400W and 30km/h IIRC.
@SomeoneSomewhere so maybe something between 200W and 6kW would be nice
Going from four classes (pushbike/e-bike, moped, LAMS motorcycle, full motorcycle) to five seems thoroughly excessive.
Mopeds (electric or petrol) are cheap and relatively low-skill and low-risk due to the limited speeds. Write to your politicians asking them to allow them to be used on car licenses like other states and NZ allow.
I also question whether you’re going to get any significant use out of a moped with a higher top speed but not much more power. The 4kW limit appears to be tailored to allow a moped to generally climb a moderate hill while in 50km/h traffic, rather than pull to the side and need a separate lane like pushbikes.
@LovesTha @fuck_cars I didn’t realise those were illegal. No one has told outer rural australia we don’t do mopeds here.
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Pretty sure Australia doesn’t care about power on ebikes anymore, just that the power turns off at 25km/h, which is a whole other can of worms…
Ooh for the love of usability please let us have 32km/h like our Kiwi cousins
Why not get a 1kW motorcycle?
