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“Seeing what happened in Colorado makes me think—except we believe in democracy in Texas—maybe we should take Joe Biden off the ballot in Texas for allowing eight million people to cross the border since he’s been president disrupting our state,” Patrick said.
Texas and Florida have been bussing people out of states. They already have a solution in place for this called “Dump your troubles onto someone else.”
The last time they actually put this into practice, Florida’s construction, agriculture, real estate, and education labor force all dropped. DeSantis had to repeal his own law and give raises just to get migrant workers back.
The problem isn’t that migrants are crossing the boarder, the problem is that the republican solution is outdated. We need a more managed and modern way of controlling immigration.
Also, this is political theatre. Texas border cities and Texas in general are used to migrants, to the point that they’re just a natural part of the local culture. Republicans whinge about the border, but most people affected by it are like, “WTF are you on about?”
Also, Mexican food is incredible. One of the most visible benefits of multiculturalism. I can’t even imagine growing up in an America that only ever had English food. Boring.
In literally every rural town I’ve been in, there’s a Mexican restaurant, and it’s always the town favorite. Celebrating a birthday? You’re getting some fajitas.
If you ever find yourself hungry and trapped in the boonies, the Mexican restaurant is usually a safe bet.
I’m sure it varies wildly, but in my experience, that is not the case near me. I imagine it’s more common the more south you get.
“We believe in democracy in Texas…except when our feelings get hurt.”
Or when people want to actually vote
Domestic Transporting – Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(ii) makes it an offense for any person who – knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to transport or move such alien within the United States by means of transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of law.
Isn’t “in furtherance of such violation of law” the critical thing there?
Interesting, so this law seems to makes it illegal for a person to help an “illegal immigrant” move about the U.S., but if one is trying either to harm them, or use them in some fashion to cause harm to others than it is legal?
So can I claim I’m trying to harm immigrants I help and get away with it? Or does the intent not matter and any person moving or assisting in the movement of illegal immigrant constitute a “furtherance” of the crime of illegally entering the U.S.?
Wouldn’t that, then, qualify as a different crime?
“are you trafficking illegal aliens?”
“Yes sir officer, but with the express intent of killing them.”
“… I’m gonna need you to step out of the truck…”
Wouldn’t that, then, qualifiers a different crime?
Furtherance of them remaining in the US, yes. This does that. My reading is giving transportation to further them illegally staying in the US is a crime.
Also, the big issue is people assume migrants take jobs, they usually take the jobs americans do not want to work as and shows it with the labor force in florida with agriculture, majority I believe work in agriculture.
They also pay tens of billions of dollars in taxes every year, despite having no Social Security number and being ineligible for any social safety net benefits whatsoever.
The thing to understand about making the border harder to cross is that it drives permanent immigration instead of allowing temporary seasonal immigration.
Before they made the border harder to cross, seasonal/migrant workers could go home and come back relatively simply. When they made it harder to go home and come back, the incentive was created for temporary workers to become permanent immigrants, legal or otherwise (but given the drastically underfunded legal immigration system is bottlenecked and legal immigration takes decades, that means farm workers have to come illegally and work under the table and that’s not something the anti-immigrant folks seem to want to end). That there is demand for their work (and basically without them it’s not met) should tell us all that there’s no will to enforce labor law and attempts to control immigration at the border (and not in the labor force) drive illegal immigration
You make a really good point here – there would be a lot less illegal immigration if we had “day passes”. Let migrant workers come and go, and formalize their status so they have to be treated fairly and with dignity.
“give raises” ? He clearly didn’t mandate that under the table wages have a minimum. So what are you referring to here? Not familiar
Allowing them to cross? I imagine this guy was at the border himself every day beating them away with sticks. What a fuckin chode.
What we need to do is fix the immigration courts. Right now, there can be a long time between “I request asylum” and the court saying yay or nay. In addition, people can be required to be their own lawyer - including if they don’t speak English or are three years old.
Also, if we want to slow migrants coming in, we should target businesses that hire illegal immigrants. If there were no jobs for them, they wouldn’t come here. Theoretically, Republicans should support this since it would be a supply side solution. Of course, this would target businesses and isn’t cruel enough towards immigrants to get the support of Republicans.
The way I see it, Texas has the largest share of the US-Mexico border by far, so if anyone is failing when it comes to illegal immigration it’s Texas and the Republican politicians that run it.
Their response would be to tighten immigration restrictions with state law. Which they have tried to do. Immigration is clearly a federal issue, though.
The solution is to buy Venezuela, and make it a territory. New legal immigrants, new oil, give immunity to the the old politicians so they can retire. A win win.
I’m not sure if that’s insane or brilliant.
Sorry, Texas, your State election laws forbids it.
Texas Political Party Nomination
A presidential candidate nominated by a political party may be placed on the general election ballot. Political parties must certify the names of the candidates for president and vice-president and the names of the presidential electors before the later of the 71st day before the presidential election, or the first business day after the date of final adjournment of a party’s national nominating convention. A political party that is authorized or required to nominate candidates by primary election is entitled to have its nominee for president placed on the general election ballot. A political party is authorized to nominate by primary if the party’s nominee for governor in the most recent gubernatorial general election received at least 2% of the total number of votes received by all candidates for governor in the election; a political party is required to nominate by primary if that candidate received more than 20% of the vote. A political party that nominates candidates by convention is entitled to have its nominee for president placed on the general election ballot if the party had a nominee for statewide office at the last general election receive a number of votes equal to at least 5% of the total number of voters received by all candidates for that office.
A political party that nominates by convention may also qualify to place a presidential candidate on the general election ballot if the party files with the secretary of state no later than the 75th day after precinct conventions a list convention participants indicating that the number of participants equals at least 1% of the total number of votes received by all candidates for governor in the most recent gubernatorial general election. If the number of convention participants is fewer than the number required, the party may qualify for ballot access at the general election by filing a petition with secretary of state containing a number of signatures that when added to the number of convention participants on the list equals at least 1% of the total number of voters received by all candidates for governor in the most recent gubernatorial election.
Petition
An independent presidential candidate may obtain ballot access for the general election by filing with the secretary of state no later than the 2nd Monday in May an application and a petition containing the number of signatures equal to at least 1% of the total vote received in the state by all candidates for president in the most recent presidential election. The application must include the names of the presidential electors.
Write-In
A write-in candidate for president must file a declaration of write-in candidacy and the names of the presidential electors with the secretary of state no later than the 78th day before the election. (Tex. Elections Code Ann. §§ 146.023, 146.025, 172.002, 181.005, 181.006, 192.003, 192.032, 192.033)
Republicans demonstrably do not care about whether or not a thing they want to do is illegal.
Silly Rabbit, laws are for Liberals!
Correct, he he follows through with his threat then he will lose when it goes to court.
So all he has to do is delay his action until right before the election, so the court can’t react in time and its decision ends up coming after the election is over. At that point, because America as proven time and again that it won’t redo an election no matter how flagrantly election laws are broken, it won’t matter and he’ll have gotten away with it.
If he waits too long, the ballots are already printed and he can’t do shit.
Lol that would be the funniest thing, in trying to wait until just the right time so the courts can’t act in time, he announces he’s going to take him off the ballot and someone says, “I’m, lt. gov, I’m so-and-so from Texas elections division and I just wanted to let you know we proofed and printed the ballots a week ago…” and then he just silently drops the issue because there’s nothing he can do…
I can see it happening
Or since he can’t do it nobody will listen and put Biden on there anyways. But let’s see what scotus says about CO first.
The good news is that these asshats tend to fuck up their strategy and only make things worse for their own stated position. Memes about “Trump is playing 5D chess” were originally about trying to explain away nutty behavior as if Trump is a strategic genius. Given the way other GOP plans have gone–from the fight over the Speaker of the House to DeSantis picking a fight with Disney–this now seems common for the entire party.
Which wasn’t always the case. GOP strategy used to be tight. Evil, but tight.
because america has proven time and again that it won’t redo an election no matter how flagrantly election led are broken
You’re talking about how trump was FRAUDED out of his BIGGEST VICTORY IN HUMAN HISTORY in 2020, right?
Bold of you to assume that asshat cares about the law
republicans: “We totally believe in the rule of — hang on
changes the law so DeSantis can run for president —
law.”
I love how the word lieutenant is combination of the French words for “place” (lieu) and “holder” (tenant). We should just call this dude the placeholder governor from now on, just to get his panties in a bunch.
Do it! Do it!
I want all the money drained out of there.
As a Texan, please forgive our dumbass politicians.
Abso-fucking-lutley not. Why would anyone forgive them? I can sympathize with you for living in a place with such terrible politicians since it is likely you cannot leave. However, I will never forgive the politicians. Fuck them, and fuck anyone who supports them.
Good point, although the other guy was just joking, as people do.
I think I’m over Lemmy… it’s not nearly reddit but it’s different here than six months ago. Meanness without good faith, whataboutism, bot posts, disinformation, low effort shitposts… I find myself blocking far more than subscribing.
It’s sad. I was so hopeful about a defederated aggregation platform. The users have killed that hope and made the platform completely inhospitable.
Seriously. I feel different. I “used to” (a matter of weeks in reality) open this app and literally feel joy, sometimes thinking “man, really is different than reddit. Visceral!” Now I feel gross like I’m doom scrolling, and cussing at strangers “bc they’re mean or not listening”… With a splash of self awareness on top, simple to see, we’re acting it all out all over again
I don’t feel anything browsing on Lemmy. People post things that are just factually not true, the tribalism is the worst I’ve seen anywhere, and most things in any topic of discussion are posted in bad faith. If you actually get angry at anything, you’re gonna have a bad time. Unfortunately, I do tend to respond in kind when people do that so I’ve called more people “stupid” or “idiot” on here than I care to admit. It doesn’t help that moderation is entirely one-sided and inconsistent. That might be a side-effect of federation, though, since smaller instances with few mods can get overrun by larger instances with orders of magnitude more people.
I hope it evens out eventually but it’s hard to see that when the only answer to mitigate the toxicity is blocking people.
It’s just the human condition. It would be better to just organize and build communities in real life again, honestly. The internet isn’t really bettering anyone’s lives anymore. Corporations destroyed it like they destroy everything.
I think it’s a shit ton of Russian bots and trolls, as well as other foreign bot farms infiltrating this platform. The US election is coming up. Authoritarians are desperate to get their orange ape Nazi back into power. It’s all vicious propaganda to change attitudes/votes. I don’t think there’s enough decent moderators to manage this serious growing problem.
I’ve been suspecting that for a while but then someone starts attacking me, saying I’m being paranoid. Glad to see I’m not the only one whose alarm goes off when someone slyly starts turning the thread into what the West has done, promoting partisan infighting, and ignoring the main topic. There are literally bot farms in St. Petersburg and other places buying ads on running bots dedicated to influencing public opinion and now with AI it’s easier to target smaller communities as well.
If it were limited to political communities, I’d believe you. Trolls and idiots are in nearly every community and commenting on nearly every post. It’s seriously ruining Lemmy.
People keep blaming corporations, but corporations go where the money is and they know how the general population acts. Things are only as bad it as they are because the general population allows it, whether it’s not voting or just outright behaving like an idiot that gets views. The only difference between Reddit and Lemmy is Reddit has worse developers.
I agree with you. People on here have complained about things like Sony removing media from people’s libraries while ignoring that them continuing to buy this nonsense enabled the exact situation they were in. Follow the money. It explains everything.
Federation unfortunately is still susceptible to the professional troll farms over in Russia and Israel and wherever else. They have become exceedingly good at poisoning the well when it comes to online discourse.
If only. Some of this idiocy, at the very least, is completely genuine. There’s a non-insignificant number of people on here that are truly and authentically flagrant morons. At best, they’re genuine trolls.
it wasn’t funny
Eh, it’s not a requisite to joke around, but there was also no need to get so serious over it
I’ll forgive you… but fuck who your state elected.
Gotta love the whataboutism:
“Sure, Trump committed several actual crimes, but Biden farted once, so that makes it ok!”
Even better, the standard they’re trying to apply would disqualify Trump too. There was still significant illegal immigration during his tenure.
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And Hunters emails or something.
Reactionary fascist is Big Mad, news @ 11.
Texas “We don’t need federal government tellin us what to do” Texas “We’re rugged and independent, we got our own grid do screw off” Texas “Feds are inept and useless. Well do it on own own”
Also Texas “Feds! Halp us w our borders that we can’t fix!! Heeelllp!”
What’s that Lassie? Little Texas is trapped in the oil well??
Also, please give us more military bases to suck fed dollars from!
Ain’t it hilarious how the ‘pull themselves up by the bootstraps’ crowd goes into fucking anaphylaxis whenever they talked about shutting down Carswell (SAC leftover) or Lackland (SAC/training leftover) or any of the dozen+ smaller installations back in the 90s.
Texas wants to declare independence LOLOLOLOL
Can you fucking imagine the look on their faces if they get what they want?
Think about how much military production occurs in texas - bell, lockheed, boeing, pratt and whitney, raytheon, l3 harris, textron, SAIC, Honeywell and dozens more would be like “BYE FELICIA” because the country of texas isn’t going to be buying all those arms and the country of THE USA isn’t going to let their equipment be produced by a hostile gov.
According to the US Bureau of Labor Stats - Texas ranks #1 for commercial aviation, #1 in aviation engineers, #2 aircraft mechanics, #2 in avionics techs. Just those jobs alone would deprive the state of billions.
So yeah, Texas, please, go ahead and shoot yourselves in the face! It’ll be fucking hilarious. Make Cali even stronger at the same time. You fucking bellends.
The party of childish vindictiveness
I think what we need to do to help alleviate some of the immigration issues is not to build a wall and keep them completely out, but to build a better gate. Our immigration system is broken and terribly understaffed, a lot of it is by design because people would rather have an issue to complain about rather thannsolve the problem.
We need immigrant labor and a lot of folks need jobs, so we rework the system to provide more temporary work permits to begin with. There is a system to do this already, it is just woefully inadequate.
Second, we set up a system where people aren’t necessarily instantly rejected for asylum at the border. That would keep a lot of people from having to cross the border illegally just to try to claim asylum (which is unfortunately the current process). At the border, anyone claiming asylum could be processed, a background check run and a preliminary determination before a judge. At that point, it could be determined if the person has family or some support system in the US and they can possibly be released with an ankle bracelet to that support, confined until the asylum verdict, or deported immediately if they fail a background check.
This sort of process does three things.
Allows tracking for more immigrants that are going through the asylum process legitimately.
Allows legitimate migrant workers to be here legally which allows us to better track their whereabouts and deport them if needed. It also protects them from being abused by people who currently bring them over illegally. Keep in mind, lots of migrants like this just come here for a few months to work and then are happy to go back home.
Cuts down on who is actually crossing the border illegally. If you provide mechanisms for people to work here legitimately, apply for asylum without illegally crossing the border, then the people who do illegally cross are going to be fewer and much more likely to be the people you really want to keep out.
The problem here is you are trying to resolve the problem. The thing is Republicans don’t want to solve the immigration issues. They want to use immigrates as scape goats, distractions, and hot button issues that get their base riled up.
This sounds like the start of immigration reform. The big problem with that is, if there is immigration reform how do the politicians scare people into voting for them?
There is this toxic idea in national politics that if you fix a big problem you are undercutting your strategy for reelection because you don’t have a scare tactic.
Results are boring, fear drives engagement.
This just sounds like make it easier and more peaceful while exploiting our neighbors to the south. It’s not all that far from “we need slaves, so lets make it easier for desperate people to come here so we can enslave them”.
I’d say actual solutions involve ending exploitation of our brothers and sisters south of an imaginary border, ending drug wars, and letting prices for products made cheap by exploitation reflect what it actually takes to produce them.
To equate a person that willingly goes to a place then works for money, to a slave, is disrespectful to people experiencing actual slavery.
You say “willingly” coming here to work for money, I say came here in “desperation” only to make enough to survive in poverty. Giving somebody a couple bucks rather than a bowl of soup is the difference between slavery and exploited “employees” given poverty wages.
No, choose is the difference. Slavery is an imprisoned state, where one cannot leave or choose to go other places.
In *chattel slavery * people are treated like objects, there are other types of slavery with some distinction. A person in a situation due to desperation lacks choice, that’s kinda what desperation means isn’t it? And people with power take advantage of that desperation, while staying within the bounds of law that forbid chattel slavery for non-imprisoned people within the borders of the U.S.
If the group of people causing the desperate situation are also effectively the ones benefiting from their desperation, the difference between this desperate trap that gives you tokens (“pay”) and chattel slavery isn’t all that much, and it’s kinda weird that you are making such a big deal as if you think it’s ok to take advantage of desperate people because it doesn’t fit a strict definition of a specific type of and most extreme form of slavery.
It’s not uncommon for people to be “willing come here to work for money,” then get their paperwork held by their “employer”, payed much less than they were promised, and forced to do labor under the risk of imprisonment and deportation (and, in some cases, such as those found during "Operation Blooming Onion, under gunpoint).
Yeah I think that could qualify. I think of slavery in terms of violence-based coercion, and direct physical control like chains and fences. But what you’re describing is essentially the same thing.
Well we have to start somewhere. These people are already being exploited and in horrible positions. We do a lot of foreign aid work in these countries as it is, but a lot of time the money just gets passed around to corrupt officials. If people want to come to the US and work, then the money goes to them directly and they will often send money back to their families and it does more good that way. Plus, if they come here legally to work, then they would be able to earn minimum wage, maybe limited benefits.
Here’s a rundown from reason.
If they have no place to migrate back to, and they don’t meet the overly stringent qualifications to be allowed asylum, why would we “really want to keep them out?” Right now, people are risking their lives to cross the southern border, so I assume they are extremely desperate (fleeing conditions they are unable to survive in and/or violence). The asylum courts in Texas often have toddlers (1/3 of asylum seekers are children) appear in court by themselves, without counsel, to try to defend themselves.
The biggest “issue” I see with immigration is that it’s criminalized, which allows the horrible exploitation of their labor (whether farm, factory, construction, or sex work).
Please explain to me how you think we should deal with the massive narco-terrorist network that the United States is currently fueling. You seem to think this is a simple problem to deal with, and you can boil it down to ending the war on drugs.
I have my own thoughts about what that would or could look like as someone who has worked on the legal and illegal side of the trade my entire adult life (until recently). I’m always interested to hear how people think the functional reality of this might work because generally they haven’t actually thought through the nitty-gritty details.
The narco-terrorists exist more because our “war on drugs” fuels a huge black market. This is similar to how the mafia rose in power during prohibition. The answer to that issue lies more in the legalization of drugs rather than immigration
I’m fully aware of the cause and effect relationship. See where I said I was part of that particular economic circle? The problem is that ending the war on drugs necessarily means legal profiteering by some interested party off those same drugs. You are only replacing illegal cartels with legal cartels. This will have all kinds of wide-sweeping effects, many of which won’t be obvious or predictable, and some of course that will be.
Just so we are clear, I am in favor of legalizing and regulating most drugs. However, you will notice that we are currently in a major pattern of socio-economic warfare against the legal opioid drug cartels like Purdue Pharma. If you think assholes like the Sackler family are bad, wait until you realize what it would be like when every single bio-pharmeceutical giant is lobbying to release designer drugs for profit. It can get MUCH worse than you imagine. Trust me.
Oh noes! Now Biden might not win Texas!
Think before you speak, dumbass.
Edit to clarify, said dumbass is the Lt. Gov, not OP, OP is cool.
Biden in 2020 received more votes in Texas and had a smaller margin of loss than Hillary or Obama. Millions of registered Texans stay home every cycle.
Oh, fuck off Dan Patrick you fragile little snowflake.
There are small children who chase people Aroundvwith poop on a stick, who are more mature than the GOP.
this is how a country falls apart
I see the opposite, this is a nation preventing a break up. The nation falls if Trump is elected and declares himself king and dictator, tears up the Consitution and dismantle Congress. That is what they have been saying they intend to do.
Unfortunately if the US is indeed trending towards fascism, no amount of voting can prevent it.
Not letting the assholes who are saying they’re gonna do a fascism get into a position where they can do a fascism is a good step to stopping it though.
Well that assumes Trump is capable of utilizing the presidency to organize an effective fascist movement and institute a fascist coup. Frankly, I don’t think he is. He would need buy in from the primary beneficiaries of our current economic system, ie the capitalist elite.
Until their class position is threatened by an organized left or labor movement, they won’t resort to supporting a fascist coup. As economic inequality rises, this becomes a less and less distant possibility. Unfortunately, inequality will likely rise no matter who wins the 2024 election.
That’s why you can’t prevent the rise of fascism simply by voting. It’s not enough. Instead, fascists and their wealthy backers have to be out organized at a grass roots level.
Divided then conquered. For Russia and China this will be the greatest victory, one without battle.
Just reading the article it’s pretty clear he doesn’t actually threaten to do this. He makes it clear they because they “believe in democracy” they wouldn’t do it. It was clearly a rhetorical device and not an actual threat. The title is garbage.
“The title is garbage.”
I can’t stand that this is the case with most articles now :(
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Just a repeat of the “Impeach Biden” thing. No cause, no evidence, but go for it.
GOP = Grumpy Outdated Projectors.
Did the Nazi Cunt throw up her right arm in celebration?
Amazing how similar “praising Jesus” and the Nazi salute are.
