This just sounds like make it easier and more peaceful while exploiting our neighbors to the south. It’s not all that far from “we need slaves, so lets make it easier for desperate people to come here so we can enslave them”.
I’d say actual solutions involve ending exploitation of our brothers and sisters south of an imaginary border, ending drug wars, and letting prices for products made cheap by exploitation reflect what it actually takes to produce them.
It’s not uncommon for people to be “willing come here to work for money,” then get their paperwork held by their “employer”, payed much less than they were promised, and forced to do labor under the risk of imprisonment and deportation (and, in some cases, such as those found during "Operation Blooming Onion, under gunpoint).
Yeah I think that could qualify. I think of slavery in terms of violence-based coercion, and direct physical control like chains and fences. But what you’re describing is essentially the same thing.
You say “willingly” coming here to work for money, I say came here in “desperation” only to make enough to survive in poverty. Giving somebody a couple bucks rather than a bowl of soup is the difference between slavery and exploited “employees” given poverty wages.
In *chattel slavery * people are treated like objects, there are other types of slavery with some distinction. A person in a situation due to desperation lacks choice, that’s kinda what desperation means isn’t it? And people with power take advantage of that desperation, while staying within the bounds of law that forbid chattel slavery for non-imprisoned people within the borders of the U.S.
If the group of people causing the desperate situation are also effectively the ones benefiting from their desperation, the difference between this desperate trap that gives you tokens (“pay”) and chattel slavery isn’t all that much, and it’s kinda weird that you are making such a big deal as if you think it’s ok to take advantage of desperate people because it doesn’t fit a strict definition of a specific type of and most extreme form of slavery.
Well we have to start somewhere. These people are already being exploited and in horrible positions. We do a lot of foreign aid work in these countries as it is, but a lot of time the money just gets passed around to corrupt officials. If people want to come to the US and work, then the money goes to them directly and they will often send money back to their families and it does more good that way. Plus, if they come here legally to work, then they would be able to earn minimum wage, maybe limited benefits.
This just sounds like make it easier and more peaceful while exploiting our neighbors to the south. It’s not all that far from “we need slaves, so lets make it easier for desperate people to come here so we can enslave them”.
I’d say actual solutions involve ending exploitation of our brothers and sisters south of an imaginary border, ending drug wars, and letting prices for products made cheap by exploitation reflect what it actually takes to produce them.
To equate a person that willingly goes to a place then works for money, to a slave, is disrespectful to people experiencing actual slavery.
It’s not uncommon for people to be “willing come here to work for money,” then get their paperwork held by their “employer”, payed much less than they were promised, and forced to do labor under the risk of imprisonment and deportation (and, in some cases, such as those found during "Operation Blooming Onion, under gunpoint).
Yeah I think that could qualify. I think of slavery in terms of violence-based coercion, and direct physical control like chains and fences. But what you’re describing is essentially the same thing.
You say “willingly” coming here to work for money, I say came here in “desperation” only to make enough to survive in poverty. Giving somebody a couple bucks rather than a bowl of soup is the difference between slavery and exploited “employees” given poverty wages.
No, choose is the difference. Slavery is an imprisoned state, where one cannot leave or choose to go other places.
In *chattel slavery * people are treated like objects, there are other types of slavery with some distinction. A person in a situation due to desperation lacks choice, that’s kinda what desperation means isn’t it? And people with power take advantage of that desperation, while staying within the bounds of law that forbid chattel slavery for non-imprisoned people within the borders of the U.S.
If the group of people causing the desperate situation are also effectively the ones benefiting from their desperation, the difference between this desperate trap that gives you tokens (“pay”) and chattel slavery isn’t all that much, and it’s kinda weird that you are making such a big deal as if you think it’s ok to take advantage of desperate people because it doesn’t fit a strict definition of a specific type of and most extreme form of slavery.
Well we have to start somewhere. These people are already being exploited and in horrible positions. We do a lot of foreign aid work in these countries as it is, but a lot of time the money just gets passed around to corrupt officials. If people want to come to the US and work, then the money goes to them directly and they will often send money back to their families and it does more good that way. Plus, if they come here legally to work, then they would be able to earn minimum wage, maybe limited benefits.