Biden might be old and a bit clumsy at times, but the man doesn’t keep me up at night and his policies have been home runs. He isn’t overspending, he has actual experts in all his departments, hell, the economy is rock solid and the inflation caused by the mismanagement of Trump is dropping. I don’t have any excuse to not support him for another term if he ends up getting the nomination.
He may not have been my first choice, but I’ve been pleasantly surprised with the Biden administration. I’ll support him over any Republican candidate, most definitely if it happens to be Trump. I’ll take Bidenomics over the trickle down myth any day of the week.
Yeah but don’t you remember when there were those stickers on gas pumps? He decided crank the oil price lever in the Oval Office just to torture truck drivers, which is just plain rude.
/s (because inevitably someone will take this the wrong way)
I love it that those stickers will remain as gas prices continue their trend down.
Yeah but what about that Laptop???
I’m continually mystified by Biden’s low polling numbers, compared to his on the job performance (and actually, you know, being on the job rather than golfing all the time). “But he’s too old!” The other guy is just three years younger than he is.
Besides, if you wanted younger presidents, you should nominate them. Biden wasn’t not old in 2020. If you choose Methuselah during the nomination process, that’s kind of a you problem. Do the research beforehand and you won’t have buyer’s remorse later.
I think most people are so turned off by politics that they can’t be bothered to listen to actual policy, or so buried in ‘both sides are owned by corps’ propaganda that they assume policy changes are always harmful. I doubt that most of the people polling negative on Biden could name a specific policy or action that they disagree with. I mean, I would also like to see a President born in the last half of the previous century, but if the biggest criticism is, “he’s old,” then he must be doing alright. It’s an easy criticism to understand and impossible to refute without resorting to ‘so is the other guy.’
Alot of what I hear is people complaining he didn’t meet his promises. They ignore the fact that it wasn’t for lack of trying. The system is broke we have to try and fix it. And by broke I mean for the people.
Alot of what I hear is people complaining he didn’t meet his promises. They ignore the fact that it wasn’t for lack of trying
I don’t think any president has ever delivered on more than a handful of their campaign promises. And even then, those outcomes are stretching the accomplish a LONG way to meet the “promise”.
The biggest win in a long time is probably Obama and the ACA, and that took a LOT and even that, though infinitely better than what it replaced, wasn’t really what he promised us.
Meanwhile, Trump is working on his replacement for the ACA, it’ll be available in a couple weeks.
That’s because those aren’t campaign promises so much as campaign agendas and the misnomer disillusions people, which is the original intent of creating the misnomer.
I pretty much agree, with everything in this thread, but it doesn’t help that presidential candidates themselves often use the words “I promise” or “I will” lol
Sure, he’s clearly orders of magnitude better than anyone the GOP will run and yes, he has pushed decent enough policy.
But around the world, I think people are looking at their left-wing parties and thinking that they’re not nearly enough.
“Bidenomics” seems to just be “neoliberalism with a hint of shame”. It’s certainly better than “neoliberalism and we’d feed you into a woodchipper if the spreadsheet said it would be profitable” but fuck, the world is burning.
Where is the trillion dollars we spent on war now that we need it to fight literal extinction? What are we going to do when the crops fail and the robots take our jobs?Why are there Nazis with political power and private prisons paying inmates pennies? Why are our electronics made by a brutal dictatorship and why is our chocolate made by child slaves?
Why don’t we have ranked choice voting so we can find people to actually fix things, instead of offering us bigger crumbs?
Where is the trillion dollars we spent on war now that we need it to fight literal extinction?
Build back better has like half a trillion dollars for ‘green’ energy
Why are our electronics made by a brutal dictatorship and why is our chocolate made by child slaves?
The CHIPS act has already gotten commitments for 50 semiconductor projects in the US https://www.semiconductors.org/the-chips-act-has-already-sparked-200-billion-in-private-investments-for-u-s-semiconductor-production/
Why don’t we have ranked choice voting so we can find people to actually fix things, instead of offering us bigger crumbs?
I don’t think that would really fix anything. I mean, it’s a good idea, and you can paint a few rosy scenarios where a great 3rd party candidate fails because none of their supporters are willing to ‘waste’ their vote. But the 3rd parties put up people like Jill Stein or Cynthia McKinney. They’re not big enough or organized enough to recruit good candidates, let alone voters.
Even if they could win elections, the congressional rules more-or-less force 3rd parties to caucus with one of the main 2, where they have no power, because they don’t raise funds or campaign for the party.
Good candidates should be challenging poor candidates at the primary stage. GOP candidates seem to live in constant fear of primary challenges from far-right nutjobs, but I rarely hear about progressive challengers on the Dem side, AOC and Cori Bush notwithstanding.
Ranked choice voting also can only be implemented by the states. The federal government can’t do that, so there’s literally nothing Biden can do except say “we should do ranked choice voting.” But I also don’t think he needs to! Multiple states are already implementing it. We are well under way with the experiment.
Why are our electronics made by a brutal dictatorship and why is our chocolate made by child slaves?
I can’t speak to chocolate and why we don’t do more at home, obviously besides cost, but the same countries you are holding up as examples are buying the exact same electronics and chips from the exact same countries we are.
The federal government cannot tell states how to conduct their elections, Biden has no control there. Besides, a few states are currently implementing ranked choice voting. It’s literally happening lol.
I keep seeing people repeating the same things about ranked choice voting, but I don’t think they’ve taken even 30 seconds to read a Wikipedia article about it. The experiment is happening right now and undoubtedly we will see other states adopt it.
They do most polling by landline phone. Those who have a landline phone are generally 65+ and Conservative.
So you’re saying that polling in this modern age is largely irrelevant?
Any polling that is done that way at least. The issue is there also isn’t any better way to do it at this point. Most people, including myself, don’t pick up unknown numbers on our cell phones. And an internet-related poll is just begging for shenanigans and skewing.
So, yeah, I guess polling is irrelevant, since there’s no good way to do it nowadays. The only polls that are still remotely accurate are exit polling done with the actual people voting at polls.
Sure explains why Disney fired Nate Silver. (Doesn’t explain why they kept his fursona Fivey, though.)
Wasn’t the issue there more that he started going down the Qanon conspiracy rabbit hole?
Didn’t know about that, but yeah, that is not a good look.
I was actually concerned about that when Nate got let go from FiveThirtyEight (though I think he still licenses his model to the site). Is there any further details on why he was fired?
I know right
Biden was old in 2020, he was old in 2016 too. So was Trump.
Nominating younger options would be great… Except we have 2 parties who have special rights and few restrictions - they can straight up throw out nominations if they want, and they’ve convinced the public at large that 3rd parties aren’t an option
We need ranked choice voting desperately.
Personally, I also think all votes should be write-in. If you don’t know which office they’re running for and can’t spell your candidates name correctly, you haven’t met a very low bar of education on the topic. Maybe your vote shouldn’t count
Needing to spell your candidate’s name wouldn’t be good for people with complex names. Suppose Vivek Ramaswamy is running against Bill Smith. Putting politics aside (since I don’t agree with Vivek’s politics, but this could just as easily be a Democrat with a long name), should he get less votes simply because his name is harder to spell correctly?
Biden looses the first two primaries massively, everyone desides to skip South Carolina because Bloomberg had dumps millions in to it. Biden wins it and everyone is like: yep, guess he won, and drop out prior to even super tuesday. We didn’t choose him, a had full of people in SC decided they were sick of Bloomberg commercial and somehow that turned into a Biden nomination.
Wow, your made up worldview of the election is fascinating. I suddenly understand more about how Republicans manage to convince themselves that Trump won the election despite literally all the evidence.
You are welcome to edit wikipedia to your “worldview” if you know of some reliable sources claiming different vote totals for the first three primaries.
If not, yes, you truly have show me how someone can deny the official vote totals put out by the state and claim some different happened.
I absolutely chose Biden
I did too, because the alternative was Trump. But saying: stop complaining about old politicians, you chose them is insulting when 46 out of the 50 states only had 70 year olds to choose from in both the primary and the general.
No I mean Biden was my first choice in the Primary
*whispers* I don’t think he can accept that people like you are out there.
Look: I’m going to admit. Biden seemed to be the “establishment” pick (I was a Sanders supporter) and that vague, distant impression is why I didn’t like him until he actually got elected and started passing his policy goals.
You might have known he was going to be doing things like passing the CHIPS Act and banning slave labor solar panel imports and ending ICE worksite immigration raids and keeping student loan payments paused.
But if you did, that’s an impressive amount of political awareness. I’m genuinely not sure how one becomes that politically aware. And I think the person you’re responding to might not accept that it’s even possible.
This isn’t remotely true.
Second paragraph under the info box: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries
Hey Democrats, be sure to keep this news well hidden.
God forbid you celebrate your victories.
Hey man!
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You know where I can get some of that GDP?
Way to go everyone, we kept wages suppressed and still managed to generate more profits off of their labor! Hooray!
The plan. It just… works!
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Keep in mind that Congress made the strike illegal with a veto proof majority. Expecting Biden to upend the legislature because you don’t like it is both ignorant and naive.
He worked with the railroads after and the workers have gotten mostly what they were after.
There are going to be a select group of people on the Left who will use and manipulate the story with the railroad workers to try to get people to turn on Biden. Let’s forget all the other things that he’s done. Let’s forget the absolute shit show that is the other side. That one issue is somehow enough to convince certain people to no support Biden.
Of course many of those people are being disingenuous with their arguments because like like 4 years ago and just like 8 years ago, there are a lot of “bad actors” sponsored by foreign governments who are trying to spread misinformation and apathy online to get Trump into office. The FBI has been warning us about this for years now, but few take it seriously and almost no one thinks that some of the people they are interacting with online are indeed foreign agents, but that is a very real reality.
the workers have gotten mostly what they were after.
Imagine living in a world where you wanted 15 days of paid sick leave and only get 1 and people on the internet count that as “getting mostly what you were after.” I guess if I go to a restaurant and order a steak and the waiter comes over and spits a hunk of old shoe leather in my mouth I should feel grateful since that’s “getting mostly what I was after.”
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You’re just spreading incorrect and out of date information here. Here’s a quote from the union Railroad Department Director Al Russo with the IBEW:
“We’re thankful that the Biden administration played the long game on sick days and stuck with us for months after Congress imposed our updated national agreement,” Russo said. “Without making a big show of it, Joe Biden and members of his administration in the Transportation and Labor departments have been working continuously to get guaranteed paid sick days for all railroad workers."
Source: https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid
Also from your article it says that they get their 7 sick days:
That pressure, plus the IBEW’s ongoing efforts, is paying off at last. The IBEW and BNSF Railway reached an agreement April 20 to grant members four short-notice, paid sick days, with the ability to also convert up to three personal days to sick days. The union reached similar understandings with CSX and Union Pacific on March 22, and with Norfolk Southern on March 10. Unused sick time at the end of a year can be paid out or rolled into a worker’s 401(k) retirement account.
I guess that’s pretty good for the US, in my state I can get up to 40 hours of sick leave per year. And I can take PTO to cover additional absences, whether those are sick days or something else. So what the railroads got from the extended White House lead negotiations with the rail carriers is fairly typical leave package for a progressive state.
And of course, compared to a Republican state what they got is just an amazing benefits package!
I found the Russian bot.
Except IBEW members were granted more sick leave and they credit Biden
We’re thankful that the Biden administration played the long game on sick days and stuck with us for months after Congress imposed our updated national agreement,” Russo said. “Without making a big show of it, Joe Biden and members of his administration in the Transportation and Labor departments have been working continuously to get guaranteed paid sick days for all railroad workers.
“We know that many of our members weren’t happy with our original agreement,” Russo said, “but through it all, we had faith that our friends in the White House and Congress would keep up the pressure on our railroad employers to get us the sick day benefits we deserve. Until we negotiated these new individual agreements with these carriers, an IBEW member who called out sick was not compensated.”
Trying to claim that Biden is somehow anti-worker for that one situation is about as disingenuous as claiming that Republicans are pro-America.
For all the positive things Biden has done, from getting us through COVID and the shutdowns, as well as inflation, helping Ukraine, as well as helping spur domestic manufacturing in green technologies, only a fool would harp on that one is with railroad strikers.
Biden is extremely pro-union. Being pro-union doesn’t mean the unions get unfettered power. That’s how you end up with cop unions.
You vote Biden. Upvote! You vote Biden. Upvote! You vote Biden but have some criticism. Downvote! Downvote! Downvote! Yeehaw! Let’s ride this Neoliberal pony straight into Fascism canyon.
Bidenomics hahhahahahhahaha
President Bidens economic policies.
Hahahahahahhahahhaha
incredible how delusional people are because of a single report coming out that isn’t how biden is just another corporate stooge Democrat whose policies are more in line with trump than anything else.
would love to have been in the meeting where Morgan Stanley and bidens press handlers discussed the exchange.
Ah yes, nothing everyone loves more then MegaCorps making even more profit and fucking over the working class. Biden is the worst President we’ve ever had, he even makes Bush seem like a liberal progressive
All of us are making more profit, it’s not just the “MegaCorps”. The cost of living in today’s society is a pain in the ass, but prices have plummeted in the last two months, and food costs are way down now.
As for President Biden, he’s been a good solid President. Between President Obama who is a top ten President, and President Biden who has been in the upper 30, it is lightyears better than the actual worst President of all time, Trump.
I’m no Biden stan, but I am a progressive, and he has definitely been more progressive than Obama was. Obama was a great president aka being a public figure/speaker, but Biden has had a much more progressive policy agenda and I’m all for that
You have to understand that the world is drastically different between Obama’s presidency and now.
You can’t flip a switch and make a nation of 346 million people be a social democracy. You have to slowly roll in changes.
Obama campaigned as a progressive and governed as a liberal. The world changing had nothing to do with it
EDIT: For instance, he ran on making abortion rights law, but once elected with a supermajority he switched gears and said it was not a high priority.
Huh
I was on it myself for 4 years. And thank god too, as I got into a nasty car accident when I had it.
There’s more to the ACA than the healthcare marketplaces. The law includes governing what healthcare plans must cover, prohibits canceling or refusing to cover thingsfor pre-existing conditions, requires health plans come with prescription coverage, and even demands health care plans spend a certain percentage of premium dollars paid on actual healthcare, essentially capping the profit margin of insurance companies.
The millions of people that got healthcare because of the marketplace / subsidies are a win, but there’s even more people who were able to get coverage because insurance companies could no longer deny them. Prior to the ACA, for instance, people with T1 diabetes were fucked if they ever had a stint of unemployment, as they would loose coverage, and then when finding a new job, if they didn’t do it fast enough, would have to wait 6 - 12 months before the new employer’s plan would cover things like insulin. People with cancer would get all cancer-related treatments denied because their employer decided to exclude cancer treatments in order to keep premiums low. The ACA put a stop to that.
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The ACA was literally a right wing health care plan proposed by the heritage foundation, a conservative think tank.
EDIT: Not to say it didn’t help people, I’ve also benefited from it, but it’s not exactly progressive
EDIT 2: This is not my opinion, Obama said it himself. Here is a source:
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This is a big distinction. Obama did the optics of the job very well, and I’d say he did a good job as president overall, given the situation. Biden I think is doing an even better job in a worse situation. He’s not terribly concerned about optics though.
Biden is the worst President we’ve ever had, he even makes Bush seem like a liberal progressive
At first I thought you just completely forgot about the 4 years before Biden, then you made the comment about bush and that just means that your opinion is completely worthless and wrong.
If you think Biden makes bush look like a liberal progressive, I’m not sure you know what words mean.
Aww look at the smooth brain. Stuck in its trump delusion
bush seem like a liberal progressive
you’re a clown
I can’t tell if you’re a disgruntled progressive or provacateur conservative. Assuming the former and you’re actually complaining in good faith, what do you expect of Biden?
As near as I can tell, Biden has picked up the pieces of the most ravaged American economy in a century while dealing with divided and useless legislature and an immoral, activist supreme court.
I agree Biden hasn’t handle corporate greed and abuse as much as I’d like, but that really is congress’s job.
Is it the rail worker strike? Congress made it illegal for them to strike with a veto proof majority. Interestingly, they now have the sick days they were prepared to strike over and the unions publicly thanked the Biden administration for working behind the scenes to make it happen.
Honestly, he’s the most progressive president since LBJ, or even FDR, and is working with far more combative branches of government and far more dire circumstances.
Biden was near the bottom of my list in the primaries, but I was absolutely wrong. He may not be as progressive as I’d like, but he’s the leader we need right now. He’s a consummate politian who believes in the process and is open to being persuaded to still more progressive outlooks.
Assuming a position of good faith is starting your response on a flawed premise. Notice how there is never any evidence or even claims of evidence, merely a assertion that [insert current democratic president here] is “the worst president evarr!!!1!” When Obama was in office he was also “the worst president evarr!!!1!” The next Democrat president we have will also be “the worst president evarr!!!1!”
I appreciate your attempt here, because I do think it’s important to have level headed discussion surrounding these sorts of statements. It’s a benefit to the rest of the bystanders that will come in here later and not see that sitting unopposed. But as far as engaging an actual conversation, you are surely wasting your time. You’ll notice that the hour old comment has 13 replies on its chain but only crickets from the original commenter. I’ll be very surprised if we hear from them again on this thread but if we do you can be assured that it will contain more of the same bizarro clown shit with no identifiable basis in reality.
I am really, seriously reaching the end of my rope here with the willful ignorance and purposeful misinformation. This is the sort of thing that has taught me I should not ever be allowed to be in charge of anything, because if I were, this is the sort of person I’d have imprisoned on the basis that they are a danger to society. But fortunately for them our constitution enshrines their right to be an idiot and to talk about it.
I believe this is generally “Sea-lioning”. They pop up and toss out some argument that doesn’t even have to make sense just to suck up the time of somebody so that they can’t engage in honest discourse with someone arguing in good faith. IMO, ignoring the trolls is for the best.
who believes in the process
This is a really important thing. Many of us I suspect have had moments where we wished he’d just tell the court to fuck off and not follow a ruling, or try an untested legal maneuver to work around Republicans.
To heal a democracy however, you have to work through the system. Working outside of it just weakens the government more. People need to see our rules and traditions triumph to have faith in them.
How can you possibly say he’s the worst president ever compared to what just happened in 2016?!?! By what metrics are you using?
I’m just glad we have an adult at the helm and I don’t have to wake up the next morning to see what bat shit insane thing has just happened. He’s not a spectacular president but he’s solid and consistent. And he is not by any stretch a liberal progressive. I wish he were.
Besides you even contradict yourself by saying he loves the MegaCorps and then calling him a liberal progressive. Which is it? I’m pretty sure those two are mutually exclusive.
I’m just glad we have an adult at the helm and I don’t have to wake up the next morning to see what bat shit insane thing has just happened.
Exactly. For four years, practically every fucking day it was, “Oh God, what’s he done now?”
Internationally stressful. Biden is hitting out of the park in comparison. Trump was jacking off in the bleachers and broadcasting it on the 6 o clock news
Dubya gave us the housing market crash.
Man I am capable of critiquing Biden but that Bush line is beyond the pale lol. You’ll just hate Biden no matter what, clearly.
Lol wut.
What r u smoking?
worst president we’ve ever had.
Maybe ask children in the middle east who’d parents we bombed, or the South Americans whose countries we sent death squads to, or the Vietnamese with Agent Orange birth defects, or the families of Americans who died pointlessly in the war on terror who they think the worst US president is and I’m sure they will mention Joe Biden and him making big businesses profitable.
So edgy! Are you 14?
