I originally posted this on the other site back when I took the picture, and it resulted in a lot of confused comments, especially from Americans, eventually getting removed by overzealous mods. Either way, I promise you that this date does not exist, and has never existed.

  • Freewheel@lemmynsfw.com
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    72
    arrow-down
    13
    ·
    11 months ago

    When read in the only proper order, it translates (for the non-technical types), to February 23rd, 2029.

    • alsimoneau@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      11 months ago

      By that logic, you should fully spell out the month. FEB29 has no confusion. If you use the number then use the ISO standard.

    • eric@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      39
      arrow-down
      69
      ·
      edit-2
      11 months ago

      I’m so tired of this “proper order” date debate among regions. Can’t we just accept that there can be more than one correct way to do things?

      We commonly write dates 02/29/23 because we speak or write “February 29th 2023” while in other languages, it’s customary to speak or write “29th of February 2023” leading them to the common format 29/02/23.

      Edit: to curb the ISO standard comments, yes, that is the most efficient and organized way to write a date, but how many of you speak dates in ISO format? If you don’t commonly say “2023 February 29th” out loud, then you intrinsically understand that not all situations call for the ISO standard.

        • eric@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          12
          arrow-down
          42
          ·
          11 months ago

          Please stop. That is another correct way to do it, and I said there is more than one, not two.

          • DABDA@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            26
            arrow-down
            4
            ·
            11 months ago

            The reason why it’s superior is (mostly) just because it removes that ambiguity of whether your region lists months or days first. By using a global standard you are still able to prefer whatever method of speaking it, but especially in situations around health and safety the less chance for confusion the better.

            Like, the whole “flammable” vs “inflammable” label is another problem if someone incorrectly assumes inflammable is the equivalent of non-flammable.

            • eric@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              7
              arrow-down
              25
              ·
              11 months ago

              I am familiar with the ISO format and use it every day. But let me ask you, do you speak dates in ISO format? If not, then you understand it isn’t always the best format for the situation.

          • schmidtster@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            16
            arrow-down
            3
            ·
            11 months ago

            The ISO is an organization trying to get everyone on the same page, they are the accepted standard globally. If you see ISO and you go against it, you better have a damn good reason and you’ll be liable everytime.

            • eric@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              4
              arrow-down
              23
              ·
              11 months ago

              When was the last time you spoke a date in ISO format? Do you say “2023 February 29th?” If not, you intrinsically know ISO is not always the best format for the situation.

                • suodrazah@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  4
                  ·
                  11 months ago

                  Neither, it’s become about some guy who needs to be right. Even if clearly and objectively wrong.

                • eric@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  arrow-down
                  20
                  ·
                  11 months ago

                  It’s about the correct standard, which if exists, should be the same whether spoken or written. I’m saying that no such standard exists, and there are different correct ways depending on the situation/region.

                  • schmidtster@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    10
                    arrow-down
                    1
                    ·
                    edit-2
                    11 months ago

                    Written has ambiguity, spoken doesn’t. One has to be standardized and the other doesn’t.

                    The topic is about written, not spoken since we all completely comprehend this.

              • puppy@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                6
                ·
                11 months ago
                1. Last time I spoke a date. When I speak it’s either February 23rd or 2023 February 23rd.
                2. Yes.
      • grue@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        27
        ·
        11 months ago

        I’m so tired of this “proper order” date debate among regions. Can’t we just accept that there can be more than one correct way to do things?

        International Organization for Standardization (ISO) be like:

        • Cjwii
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          7
          ·
          11 months ago

          This is my favorite comment thus far

      • slazer2au@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        16
        ·
        11 months ago

        Written language doesn’t have to follow spoken language. The ISO is for written things not spoken.

      • stoy@lemmy.zip
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        13
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        11 months ago

        The reason you keep hearing about it is because people won’t use the standard

        • thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          11 months ago

          you actually think you’ll be able to convince anyone even remotely stupid or stubborn to use this? you must have never tried anything like this before then…

        • eric@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          11
          ·
          11 months ago

          When was the last time you spoke dates to anyone in ISO? If you don’t ever say the year before the month and day, then you intrinsically know ISO is not always the best format for the situation.

          • bstix@feddit.dk
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            11
            ·
            11 months ago

            Spoken and written don’t need to use the same format. Time also isn’t spoken using the written format hhmmss.

          • stoy@lemmy.zip
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            5
            ·
            11 months ago

            It happens a few times a month, when dealing with something important to make sure people understand, same reason as to why I sometimes say times in a 24h format.

      • EinfachUnersetzlich
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        9
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        11 months ago

        Other languages including English, from England. We also say the 29th of February.

        • Cjwii
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          edit-2
          11 months ago

          Real English is American you bloody redcoats are always appropriating our culture

        • eric@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          14
          ·
          edit-2
          11 months ago

          I’m not implying you can’t say “of” in English, but it’s common (and shorter) to say “Feb 29th.” It is not however correct to say “Feb 29th” in many other languages, which is why Europe made day first dates the regional standard. And just like with the imperial vs metric systems, England has shifted to more often use Europe’s standard rather than the one they came up with themselves.

          • DABDA@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            8
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            11 months ago

            Are you trolling or just incapable of acknowledging that you can speak a date differently than its written representation? The entire reason for any standard is just to ensure you’re working within a known/consistent framework. You can measure in imperial or metric but you can’t label an imperial or metric unit as the opposite just because you prefer it that way.

            If I hand you glass of milk with a skull and crossbones sticker on it why would you assume it’s harmful when in my region it’s used to signify its high calcium content? I can say “poison” or I can say “milk”, but a skull should never be interchangeably used.

            In the same way, a date written in a global standard format should always be immediately recognized as signifying ONE particular date, and you’re then free to localize it however you please.

            • eric@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              4
              arrow-down
              9
              ·
              11 months ago

              Not trolling. I just think all three formats are correct and I can’t understand why everyone must demand their way is the only correct way.

        • eric@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          11
          ·
          11 months ago

          1776/07/04, which is commonly written July 4th 1776 as well as 4th of July 1776. All three ways are correct. What’s your point?

      • LinkOpensChest.wav@lemmy.one
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        11 months ago

        It’s usually easy to determine which order the person commenting observes too, just from context. I’ve never understood the confusion.

        • lad@programming.dev
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          11 months ago

          Yeah, especially with something like 03/04/07 12:47 AM

          The likes of this date and time are just evil because not only you may mistake day for month or even year, but also 12 AM in some places precedes 1 AM while in other places it precedes 1 PM.

          I’m almost convinced that an additional info with a UNIX timestamp must be always shown to be used as a ground truth wherever a date is presented

          • LinkOpensChest.wav@lemmy.one
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            11 months ago

            I agree it can be confusing if presented without context or explanation, but in most cases one can easily determine order (e.g., OP’s post)