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The U.S. vetoed a UN Security Council resolution Friday calling for a ceasefire to the fighting in Gaza.
The U.S. and Israel have opposed calls for a ceasefire, saying it would strengthen Hamas.
The vote was delayed for several hours over worries the U.S. would veto it. Diplomats from several Arab nations met with U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken to try to convince the U.S. to abstain from voting.
As a permanent member of the council, the U.S. has veto power, and had signaled it planned to block the resolution. The U.K. abstained from the vote, while the 13 other members of the council voted for it.
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15 countries voting, they lost 13-1 (UK abstained), literally only the US voted against the resolution and yet they can veto it.
It is clearly US and UK vs Gaza children.
“Oh hamas did this and that so lets kill them all, stop water food and aid and move 2 million around” is not justified …
This was always the plan.
People are wising up but I doubt anything can stop it now.
Cat is out of the bag.
Username checks out.
No but seriously, you’re right.
It is clearly US and UK
The UK abstained, that is explicitly not supporting the US. It’s not objecting either, but it’s not supporting.
What I find interesting is that the PM Rishi Sunak talks in full support of Israel in national politics, yet on the international stage the stance is now slightly more neutral.
It is a scam happened before, countries abstain because they know the US would veto. If UK didn’t abstain I think the resolution would pass. That’s why they did it, help to not let the resolution pass and it doesn’t look bad as veto.
How is it a scam?
Not to a scam but clever politics… Let US to take the hit, since supporting Israel is becoming hard as people are wising up to their goals and policies vis a vis Palestinians. The people more educated people get on the topic, the harder it is support Israel at all.
Politicians know that domestic support esp among younger people is down.
Its a desperate attempt not to piss off even more voters. While still supporting party funders ideals.
Does a “no” vote by the US automatically veto it? Or did they have to take an additional action? If the vote alone didn’t veto it, that’s the perfect place to hedge your bets. Vote no, then don’t veto it. You can claim both sides then to appease everyone.
No by the US (or China, France, Russia, the United Kingdom) means veto.
Well that’s dumb. But rules are rules.
aww shucks we have to allow genocide its the rules
It was more meant that they couldn’t vote no then not veto. That being the case they should have at least abstained like the UK.
It’s to prevent nuclear war. If everyone voted to invade or harshly punish a powerful country they could respond.
That is the explanation I was given, but these days I think that’s more of a rationalization than an explanation. Closer to the truth, I think, is that those are the countries that came out of WWII the victors, and so they wrote the rules.
Much like the US Constitution, the structure of the UN is built for a world that no longer exists.
oh so the only ones who ever used nukes now get to say what everyone should do with theirs?
Where are the vote results
Valid question, I got it from another article: https://thehill.com/homenews/ap/ap-politics/ap-un-chief-and-many-nations-demand-immediate-humanitarian-cease-fire-in-gaza-but-us-remains-opposed/
US refuses to block Israeli genocide of Palestinians.
US actively supports Israeli genocide of Palestinians.
I don’t expect Joe Biden to act against his interests, but I also can’t believe he thinks this is in his interest! Are there that many people in America who think this is the right thing to do? People danced when Henry Kissinger died, who fails to see the legacy of this?
He’s banking on “trump bad, I good”. So many idiots are falling for this and will chase you out of the room with their pitchforks if you said you won’t vote for genocide Biden.
Sitting out in the next presidential election is a vote for “I’ll be a dictator” Trump. That’s just the way it is.
I’ve heard this same sentence literally every single elections.
Is it not true? Is this another shit sandwich vs giant douchebag argument?
It is true, but I believe it’s manufactured. It’s done on purpose. I’m personally not falling for it again. I’m done with voting for the “lesser of two evils”.
Don’t be naive. What’s happening now is the result of a pattern in human behavior which has played out countless times before. It may be cathartic to throw your arms up and say “nothing matters and everything is a lie, burn it all” but that’s not productive and it will allow the greater of many evils to win.
Oh, I think he can bank on that. What I see is people looking to third parties. I just don’t think anything good will come of that.
Personally, I can’t honestly threaten to vote against him, but I do understand other people feeling differently, and I definitely wish he’d make it less gross for me.
Middle America. Specifically people in purple states. Biden is coming into an election that’s sounding like it’s going to be won by 5 votes or lost by a million. He’s trying to win support in swing states. Unfortunately those swing state voters tend to be union guys, who are more conservative. They like a blue collar guy, but they want him to have hardline stances on things. We’re hearing conflicting things from this administration for a reason. A veto on the UN makes headlines and sounds like the US is being supportive, but we’re also hearing about back room conversations where the administration is voicing their disapproval of the bombing and threatening to withhold funding. I imagine if this was before the war in Ukraine we would see a different reaction by the Biden Administration. Plus Israel gives us a launch point into middle eastern operations.
That makes little sense. Why would blue collar workers support Israel’s genocidal bombardment campaign? It’s not in their interest. The UAW is even calling for a ceasefire.
Also, the Biden administration can claim all day that they are in back room negotiations with Israel. However, those claims ring hollow when they’re simultaneously trying to pass bills in congress that unconditionally give Israel military aid. People see that and naturally lose faith in anything the administration says.
That makes little sense. Why would blue collar workers support Israel’s genocidal bombardment campaign?
Sadly because of the higher incidence of nationalism, racism, and Islamophobia among such folk which means they don’t care enough or are outright in favor of turning brown people into skeletons
Have you ever talked with some of them? My whole damn family is full of this exact type of person. Do you not remember how many of those people were willing to bomb multiple countries for 20+ years just to hunt down Osama Bin Laden?
The Biden admin is joining Israeli aid with Ukrainian aid. They’re trying to get some on the right to pass aid for Israel so we can fund Ukraine.
Many blue collar, support who tells them what they want to hear. God (Jesus) is great, white people are best, and libs bad… Even though it’s against their interests, that’s conservative/Trump.
Not only that but Israel still provides a lot of spy tech. Local US law enforcement have been using Israeli tools to get into peoples’ phone records, or even the phones themselves.
These are times when I’m ashamed to be an American.
I’m 70 years old. Of course it’s not the first time. Cute meme though.
Nowadays I wonder if you guys have any times you aren’t.
We always seem to be pro genocide
Genocide Joe is insatiable.
Trump would be 10x worse, or is that what you had in mind?
Both options would have been collosal twats about this. It’s still valid to call the person currently being a twat about it a twat.
Yeah but Genocide Joe is a completely bullshit Trumpism. As far as they go, there has been less genocide under Biden. While Trump was in charge ICE were committing genocide against migrants (forced hysterectomies) and Obama was reknowned for his rise in drone strikes, meanwhile Biden pulled out of Afghanistan.
The fact that the hardcore tankies are coming out with Trumpisms is poignant, I think.
The Afghanistan pullout was planned during the Trump admin, mind you, Biden basically just didn’t back out of it. Not saying it wasn’t a good thing, but using it as a comparison against the administration that planned it is a bit disingenuous.
And the comparison of drone strikes under Obama is as much a Trumpism as “Genocide Joe”, so using it as a defense against using Trumpisms is also disingenuous.
Not saying Biden isn’t a far sight better than Trump or anything else coming from the conservative camps, but he’s no less of a warhawk at this point.
I’m glad the US lost in Afghanistan and I’m hopeful it loses in Palestine/Middle East too.
Bet you’re loving all those women getting banned from college and national parks now.
Bet you love that the US wasted 2.4 trillion dollars and 20 years with nothing to show for it. If the US wanted to help Afghan women, why was it bombing them? There are other, more productive ways to help.
He’s Saudi. So probably.
Not that his opinion matters anyway. He’s Saudi. He literally doesn’t get a vote.
I agree that Biden isn’t really much less of a warhawk, but the point I’m making is that there’s probably been if anything slightly less genocide by the US under Biden than other presidents, which just makes the nickname more ridiculous.
It’s not that he’s much less of a warhawk, he’s no less of a warhawk.
Yes, the nickname is dumb, but that’s mostly because it’s a Trumpism, not that it doesn’t have a tinge of accuracy to it.
I dunno, I still think there’s a valid point to it. Previous presidents increased the amount of genocide, they continued and added to previous actions, Biden has done things to decrease it.
Like, if you were to plot genocide on a logarithmic scale, the slope would be lesser under Biden.
Like, if inflation has been really high, but then becomes a bit less high.
It’s objectively better. Still definitely not good, but not as bad as before, but also still not getting better quickly enough.
It is not a Trumpism. I’m from Saudi Arabia, it is an apt description for the most genocidal maniac leader of the 21st century. Trump possibly being worse is just a condemnation of the USA.
Also, past US president were war criminals who should have faced trial for their war crimes, but Joe is escalating it to an unprecedented genocide.
So ridiculously detached from reality
I’m from Saudi Arabia
Yemen, RSF, Omar al-Bashir, Sudan, Darfur, etc.
the most genocidal maniac leader of the 21st century.
Netanyahu is less genocidal than Biden?
Meanwhile:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effacer_le_tableau
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide
I am aligned with the Axis of Resistance. Saudi Arabia is only my country of citizenship. But don’t misunderstand this to be an invitation for a colour revolution in my country.
Biden is supporting Netanyahu unconditionally. Biden could at least vote for a ceasefire instead of vetoing it. Instead he is sending Netanyahu more weapons to enable the genocide. This is Biden’s genocide as much as Netanyahu’s.
Sure, but someone repeating Trump’s insults is also a twat.
Did Trump actually say? That’s funny considering he’d do the same. I have been saying it since the first US veto back in October, I even thought I came up with it. It is true and has a nice ring to it.
The real question is why is the US run by racist genocidal geriatrics from both parties? Fix your democracy before trying to export it to the Middle East.
We are all twats on this cursed day.
At least everyone in America is
What’s 10x worse than a genocide?
10 genocides?
Genocidecimal.
10x genocide?
He would let the Palestinian people die and start wars with other countries to distract the rest of us
Biden is already not only letting thousands of Palestinians die but he is sending Israel the weapons to kill them with.
Also Biden is already dragging the US into further wars in my region. If Trump was going to start new wars he would have already done so. People forget that Biden played a role in Bush’s invasion of Iraq and Obama’s drone strikes on hospitals.
start wars with other countries to distract the rest of us
yeah, biden would NEVER do that
biden would NEVER expand nato, he would also NEVER block negotiations in ukraine, just like he would NEVER keep escalating tensions with china over taiwan
Ok, but Joe Biden didn’t take out MBS, shakes hands with Dictator Xi, won’t actually call for sanctions on countries with dictators and now supports a genocide against Palestinians. How is he any better?
Ah yes, I am sure Trump wouldn’t do the same thing as well 🙄
The US will always back Israel because the US sees military strategic value against the Middle East with Israel, namely Iran. It also helps that Israel exports a lot of medical equipment to the US as well, so financially we have a good relationship with them there as well.
“trump worse” doesn’t mean that this isn’t bad. The bar is so fucking low at this point, and even then Dems can’t clear it.
The US will always support genocidal maniacs is not a valid argument, and neither is that Trump is as bad.
I genuinely can’t understand why you are defending a genocide. This is bad for the US’s international standing. It hurts the US-led coalition against Russia. Even if you don’t care or humanize Palestinians, you should at least pretend to care about long term US interests at home and abroad.
“Rush by west to back Israel erodes developing countries’ support for Ukraine” https://archive.ph/ctAhD
“We have definitely lost the battle in the Global South,” said one senior G7 diplomat. “All the work we have done with the Global South . [over Ukraine] has been lost . . . Forget about rules, forget about world order. They won’t ever listen to us again.”
Many developing countries have traditionally supported the Palestinian cause, seeing it through the prism of self-determination and a push against the global dominance of the US, Israel’s most important backer.
“What we said about Ukraine has to apply to Gaza. Otherwise we lose all our credibility,” the senior G7 diplomat added. “The Brazilians, the South Africans, the Indonesians: why should they ever believe what we say about human rights?”
He’s defending genocide because he’s grasping at straws trying to pin everything on native peoples for not wanting to have their land stolen
Who said I was defending it? What did I say that would imply that?
My post is explaining why this would have happened regardless of who was in charge in response to the honestly stupid “gEnOcIdEr JoE” post. If you ask me, this shouldn’t even be happening in the first place, and I personally don’t advocate for war and/or genocide nor condone such barbaric actions because of the more harmful long-term consequences such things have on people from both sides of the conflict. We should have agreed to the ceasefire, and am disappointed we veto’d it.
If the current resident president was Trump, people would have called him Genocide Don and rightfully so. The most shameful thing any president could do is allow a genocide to happen when he has the full power to stop it.
I am glad you agree that the US vetoing the ceasefire multiple times is wrong and makes it complicit in the crimes, not to mention all the bombs and financial aid they are sending to Israel.
I love how libs immediately bleat about Trump when presented with the fact that it’s their chosen savior doing a genocide. These people have no actual morals.
Trump years aside, I’ve rarely been so ashamed of my country. And I’m no spring chicken.
No one should have veto power, it makes any organization extremely undemocratic. And given the American arsenal, it’s already difficult to be democratic.
very good harm reduction from the genocide joe junta
Tankies talking shit about genocide. Oh the irony.
Not even Russia has killed as many children in 2 years as Israel just did in a month
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Your avatar is from the national emblem of East Germany, right?
Fun fact: publicly, the East German government opposed Apartheid. We now know that behind the scenes IMES, run by the East German deputy foreign minister and Stasi employees, sold dozens of shipments of weapons to Apartheid South Africa.
Source: Van Vuuren, H. (2018). Apartheid guns and money: A Tale of Profit. Weidenfeld & Nicolson.
Nice fairy tale, but fortunately history isn’t swayed by anti-communist vermin making up myths. West Germany and Apartheid South Africa had nuclear cooperation while Democratic Germany armed and trained the ANC.
Not just West Germany:
That includes western governments, but also the USSR and China.
I assume you’re still quite young or a bit naive. But even at the time it was all a bit of a farce. Towards the end of the cold war, it was common knowledge that the elite of both sides only really cared about making money. That’s also why the nomenklatura were often in an excellent position to become rich from the fall of the USSR. More things change, more they stay the same. Bleibt alles anders. The propaganda was one thing, but when it came to trade and the national interest, pragmatism often beat ideology for both sides.
Of course, in the case of East Germany, it was partly because they were desperate for hard currency. Which is probably also why the sold prisoners’ blood to West Germany and tested drugs for companies like Bayer, Pfizer or Roche on their own citizens:
No one comes up smelling of roses from all this of course.
I assume you’ll think this is just more ‘anti-communist vermin making up myths’ to undermine East Germany. But the DDR is dead, the Stasi’s records are open to the public, and if anything all these revelations are far more damaging to western companies and countries which still exist, so whatever.
Thats not fun at all!
Every civilian death in Gaza going forward is a direct consequence of US actions. US is directly responsible for facilitating a genocide.
US is directly responsible for facilitating a genocide.
So you’re not saying they’re directly responsible for genocide, merely for facilitating it.
UN is the change.org of the real world. The idea is great but it only works on extremely rare cases. I know its purpose is to stop next world war but it should stop trying to seem like a platform for discussion as there is no discussion to be had when you give someone power to veto any resolution.
The UN with their permanent members are a disgrace. All they do is uphold imperialism and say please don’t do that.
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Wpuldnt this be the 3rd ceasefire? Hamas already violated the first two, kinda burns any goodwill they might have.
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I like how casually you talk about a few tens of thousands of people being murdered and millions more made homeless. As long as we get the one guy, infinite murder is justified!
The focus isn’t on that though, and while you and The Leader of the Free World™ prevaricate and wish for a perfect solution, children are being slaughtered in their thousands. The focus, in my opinion, should be on stopping that slaughter immediately. You know, with a ceasefire or something.
Having grown up in the midst of one of the most authoritarian depressions of the planet, I know that a ceasefire will not make the conflict go away at all, it will only erupt even more at some point in the future. Only a bottom-up awakening of the population to a general sense of modern citizenship can change this, and it will take a generation or two to transform it. We have had more than sixteen wars in the history of this country that have resulted in more than 50 percent of the population being decimated. Politicians often use the past history of invasions and other means to brainwash people and promote hate education, but as a modern person in a modern society, I know that history is just a lie of the victor, so the way to judge the problem should not be the first preconceived notion of right and wrong with the standpoint of the first, this kind of judgment has too much one-sided. No one wants war, famine and death on earth, but that is human nature.
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Hello. Question: Bouncing back to a month old thread with what looks like an unsourced quote without context is intended to achieve what?
Edit: looks like I’ve been blocked by this user. So if they have responded below, they have done so in the knowledge that I will not be able to read it.
Hamas is fighting back against a genocidal occupation. They haven’t killed a single civilian because active participants in that genocidal occupation are not civilians. You and anyone who supports that genocidal occupation and the antisemitic monsters behind it are a blight on the world. Remove yourself as painfully as possible.
The Palestinians of today are the Arabs of the Palestinian areas, this is a basic fact that you need to get right, and when you get right this you know that your so-called genocidal occupation is a false proposition
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I think it’s right that this kind of motion should be voted down, the good guy tactic will reduce population casualties in the short term, but in the long term, uMkontho we Sizwe will do more harm, so it’s right to have an eye for an eye tactic. But the focus should be on how to eliminate uMkontho we Sizwe while protecting as many civilians as possible, rather than a truce to give uMkontho we Sizwe a break.
-P. W. Botha, 1989 (Tagged the quote as spoiler as the original got
lmao deserved btw)
