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    Jesus fucking Christ…

    Is this to suggest that out of all the options in the DNC, Biden is not just the best one available, but the only person in the DNC capable of winning an election against fucking trump?!?

    That is a hella sad implication.

    It’s kinda sad as well that after four years at the helm (arguably), the best the dude can go with as a campaign is to just drag out the same lame ass “I’m not trump” he ran on last time… Not that “I’m not trump” isn’t worthy of a vote, it is in my opinion, but shit man, you can’t hold up anything else, after 4 years?

    Anyone know who’s going on the libertarian ticket next year?

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      Just like Hillary was the only person who could beat him in 2016…

      I feel like we’re sleepwalking into a dictatorship because of old fucks thinking they know better and that now is their time.

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        Unfortunately we’re in a position this election cycle where our options are vote for old fuck, or let Nazi old fuck win.
        I’m not thrilled about it either but it’s something we can sort out after this election cycle. There’s a much larger and important issue on the table than age and it needs to be dealt with first.

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          I’m not thrilled about it either but it’s something we can sort out after this election cycle

          Said everyone who ever defended the preferred candidate of the DNC to someone with actual ideals and principles every single election cycle for the last 40+ years.

          That’s how we got to a situation where a Trump presidency was anything but a throwaway joke from The Simpsons that was supposed to be over the top satire.

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            Do you seriously think Biden’s age is more important than allowing the US to fall into a Nazi dictatorship?

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              No. His age is a minor thing. It’s (almost) everything ELSE about him that should preclude him from being the only alternative to fascism.

              He’s for sure the lesser evil compared to Trump, by miles, and I hope everyone who can votes for him, but that doesn’t mean that he’s not still an evil.

              An extremely ambitious politician from Pennsylvania doesn’t just move to tiny little Delaware for reasons unrelated to it being the most corporation-friendly state in the union and “the Senator from MBNA” is no exception.

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          This election cycle? This will be the third election cycle where the only thing going for dems is “well you don’t want the other guy, so you???”

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            4th. Second time, Obama had been governing as a neoliberal rather than the progressive he ran as at first, so Not A Corporate Raider Animal Abusing Religious Fundamentalist Hypocrite was the best reason the Left had to vote for Obama again.

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        Yes this has big Hillary 2016 vibes.

        If Biden is so confident he’s the best suited to beat Trump, why not hold a primary so the voters can back him up? There are some interesting challengers to the left of him with actual populist positions and meaningful intent to follow through on them.

        The truth these geriatrics don’t want to hear is that Biden is one of the few Dem candidates who can LOSE to Trump. And he’s dead set on doing so.

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      Meanwhile this has been the best Democratic presidency in 50 years. Way more progressive policies passed than Obama but I guess none of that matters because he’s old.

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      Traditionally, Incumbent has higher chances of winning. DNC whole thing is taking “no risks”. I remember how people would say they loved Burnie and still voted for Biden in the primaries. I’m like wtf. DNC slogan should be “not the GOP”. Sad part is risk of Trump is too high for third party middle finger vote. people did that when DNC shafted Bernie the 1st time and we got trump. DNC knows this.

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        It would be great to do the third party middle finger vote but that just gets the fascist elected. I see people complaining about Biden (even though I think he’s doing a pretty good job, despite the shortcomings) and say they won’t vote for him if he doesn’t do some single issue thing and I just can’t help but think that’s a super special level of privilege. Like really?

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          I guess it really is super privilege to think third party route or abstaining is taking power back or “sticking to the man”. I think it’s lack of knowing the consequences and ideology thinking anything will change with the DNC. I really hope GOP crashes with soon so we can finally vote third party but I suspect That will never happen.

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            Yeah this is the biggest complaint I keep seeing. It’s completely true, it’s also really really dangerous to not vote or vote third party because of that at this moment. I agree that it’s totally messed up but it’s still better than what will happen if trump gets elected.

            I’m just hoping the people saying this will at least vote blue while also holding Biden accountable.

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              You can’t hold Biden accountable and also elect him President lol

              Biden needs to reverse course on Israel or else he is going to lose. Does genocide Joe love killing Palestinian children more than he wants to stop Trump?

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            And how would that be any different with any of the last dozen presidents in power?

            When was the last time the US didn’t back Israel while they’ve been shooting at the Palestinians?

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      Hillary Clinton already ran on “I’m not Trump”. So yeah, during an entire decade, the Democrats’ only winning argument is “we’re not literally criminal fascists”.

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        Democracy involved compromise, unless you just wanted to be defeated in detail in the political arena. You may wish that boomers and their views didn’t exist, but for as long as they do, they are a reality that needs to be faced.

        If you just ignore them and push them towards the repub candidates, then it isn’t progressives that win, but republicans. Who can then do away with democracy at some point and secure their position despite dwindling demographics, in classic Realpolitik fashion.

        Gramps may not get all the nuances of the modern world, I doubt any 80+ yr old does, regardless of how good their briefings are. But he does understand why moderates are important. And he’s good at diplomacy in general.

        Yes the system sucks. This is not news to anyone already past their teenage years. It’s what we got though, and to reform it, you need progressive politicians, which will need moderates in order to win vs entrenched repubs. Reality is a bitch, and it doesn’t treat purity very well.

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          Hate to tell y’all this but there are large groups of Millennials that share the same views as the boomers everyone whines about.
          The reason the Republicans have been in charge isn’t because of any large chunk of the populace supporting them, it is because a very significant chunk does not Vote.

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              gerrymandering is a means to manage those that Vote and moves the Electorate a tiny fraction which only works because so few Vote.

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            Hate to tell y’all this but there are large groups of Millennials that share the same views as the boomers everyone whines about.

            Hate to tell you this, the party’s singular contempt for younger voters has caused them to look elsewhere.

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              enjoy coup2. I’m sure you’ll get along great with the Fascists being so pure and superior.

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                I’m describing the results of the party not taking younger voters seriously.

                As always, you’re pulling the “everyone to my left is all the way to my right” shit that centrists pull whenever someone points out that their messaging is garbage.

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          Democracy involved compromise

          When was the last time centrists compromised with anyone to their left? All I see is centrists collaborating with the right.

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            This right here. The DNC always fights hard against the left and when negotiating with the fascists, they start from a barely acceptable compromise (at best) and give tons of concessions from there.

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              And then demand praise from progressives for the “compromise” that is capitulation in all but name.

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                Absolutely. Their (DNC leadership) policy objectives might be a lot better (in theory, if not always in practice) than those of the fascists, but they’re lying corporately owned demagogues most of the time all the same.

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          Older generations have a role in it but let’s not forget one thing, a whole lot of people much younger than the boomer generation also support the right, the boomers present at the Capitol on January 6th 2021 were the politicians, not the terrorists. The 18-35 y.o. crowd is extremely politically divided, probably more than any of the previous generations currently living.

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            This is why we have to meet each other, not as public faces talking to audiences, but where people are, where they go to talk about these things when they’re in the mood. As people just like them, maybe even that know how they feel and can still listen. It’s not like their foundational complaints aren’t legitimate.

            Places like right here. Or better yet, the structure of the Fediverse as a whole, in a more systemic way. But that’s long term goals, that won’t be ready in time.

            We have a real outside enemy now, though. Few of em. They’ve just been pursuing a divide-and-conquer strategy on us, and even began to see results. There’s not a whole lot of counters to that strategy, it’s one of the most tested and effective in all of history. There’s a few though.

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            A continuation of what he’s already done, here’s accomplishments from his third year in office only.

            What Biden Has Done: Year Three

            Got republicans to publicly take Social Security and Medicare cuts off the table

            Reduced unemployment from 18 million when he took office, down to less than 2 million now

            Banned Tik Tok on government sites

            Vaccines for tetanus, whooping cough, and shingles (costing up to $200) are now free for seniors on Medicare

            Requires utilities to remove perfluoroalkyl and polyfluoroalkyl compounds (PFAS) from drinking water

            Makes $450 million available for solar farms and other clean energy projects at current or former coal mines

            732-mile high-voltage transmission line across the Western U.S. that will help transport renewable energy

            Directs federal agencies to find ways to make child care cheaper and more accessible

            IRS answered 2.4 million more taxpayer calls for assistance due to new funding

            $197 million for 100 communities across our nation to invest in wildfire resilience

            Safeguard mature and old-growth forests on federal lands, in a science-based approach to reduce wildfire risk

            Strengthen reforestation partnerships to support local economies and retain forest ecosystems and sustainable supplies of forest products for years to come

            Combat global deforestation to deliver on key COP26 commitments

            Comprehensive efforts to deploy nature-based solutions that reduce emissions and build resilience

            Added threat of detention and kidnapping to risk factors of travel warnings

            Increased consequences to terrorists who engage in the practice of kidnapping

            Rail companies grant paid sick days after administration pressure in win for unions

            $4 billion effort to electrify U.S. ports and cut emissions

            Average job creation almost double any recent president

            To date has forgiven $42 billion of student loan debt to borrowers of public service

            Record 10.5 million new business applications were filed in first two years of Biden administration

            Invests $11 billion for renewable energy in rural areas

            US is now building factories at a wildly fast rate

            Construction spending by US manufacturers more than doubled from last year

            Offered billions of dollars in subsidies in the electric vehicles, semiconductor, and solar panels industries

            Added 800,000 jobs in manufacturing in last two years to compete with countries such as China

            Got Ticketmaster and Seat Geek to dump junk fees

            The Inflation Reduction Act will provide one million solar and wind jobs by 2035

            Doubled previous all-time high of new manufacturing construction

            Continues negotiations and gets paid sick days for rail workers

            Executive order to guarantee women access to contraception - (more will need to be done to make it permanent)

            Eliminates US stockpile of chemical weapons

            Largest offshore wind project in the US

            Round 10 of student loan cancellation: $39 billion for over 800,00 borrowers

            Gets big tech commitments to voluntary follow AI guidelines (Including Google, Meta, Microsoft and Amazon)

            Stock Market gains in 2023 are the best in decades

            Creates Ancestral Footprints of the Grand Canyon National Monument - One million acres

            Construction of manufacturing facilities in real terms (adjusted for inflation) has more than doubled since 2021

            Launches “Saving on a Valuable Education” (SAVE): An income-driven repayment plan cutting borrowers’ payments in half, and some with no monthly bill

            Creates bilateral collaboration helping Vietnam develop high tech in semiconductor production and artificial intelligence, countering Chinese efforts to do the same in the region

            $800 Million to Strengthen Rural Infrastructure and Create Jobs

            Round 11 of student debt forgiveness: 12,000 Wisconsinite Student Loans Forgiven

            Siemens Kenosha factory to produce solar using tax incentives and will create a half million clean energy jobs

            Suspends Trump-era authorization to ship natural gas by rail

            Cancels oil and gas leases in Alaskan wildlife refuge that were allowed by Trump administration

            Restores power of states and tribes to review projects to protect waterways

            Creates 9-state offshore wind supply chain pact while funding $72m towards manufacturing

            American Climate Corps launched

            DOD to review DADT discharges

            At-home COVID tests return

            EPA announces $4.6B climate grants

            TPS redesignated for Venezuela, protecting additional 450k migrants

            $37M University of Phoenix debt forgiven

            EO for East Palestine recovery

            Prohibits Americans from investing in some Chinese companies

            Directs Agencies to Account for Climate Change in Budgets

            Creates new office of gun violence prevention

            Commits $200 million to reintroduce salmon in Columbia River

            $230 million for suicide prevention and behavioral are programs for at risk communities

            Cuts funding to college programs leaving grads with unaffordable loans and/or low pay

            All schools must provide prospective students with a framework outlining actual costs to get a degree and financial outcomes students can expect

            Today’s announcement brings the total approved debt cancellation by the Biden-Harris Administration to $127 billion for nearly 3.6 million Americans.

            Round 12 of student loan forgiveness of $5.2 billion bring total to $127 billion

            Updated federal prevailing wage for first time in decades, raising wages by thousands of dollars

            During very tense times, visits Israel and gets them allow humanitarian aid to Gaza

            Creates the largest ever offshore windfarm of Virginia’s coast

            Supports UAW strike resulting in a 30% increase of wages

            October economics report shows stunning improvement

            —34th consecutive month of job growth (150,000 jobs in October)

            —Longest stretch of unemployment below 4% since the 1960s

            —GDP surged this past quarter 5% (seasonally adjusted)

            —Federal Reserve announces interest rates are holding steady

            —Auto Strike over! Workers get substantial pay raises (30%)

            Eliminates co-payments, enrollment fees and monthly premiums for WWII veterans

            Climate Corps sees 42,000 sign-ups since inception

            Establishes White House Initiative on Women’s Health Research

            Reestablishes open and direct communication with China

            Brokers deal with Israel & Hamas for release of hostages

            Brokers deal to allow Humanitarian aid into Gaza

            Child poverty rates fall from 12.6% to 5.8% due to Biden’s Expanded Child Tax Credits

            2.9 million kids escape poverty

            Another 813,000 people have their student loan debt wiped out

            Supply chain backlogs are now at the lowest levels in 25 years.

            Inflation is at the lowest rate since Biden took office early 2021

            New small business applications continue at record rates: https://i.redd.it/ppmxb6z0bq3c1.png

            Delivered largest economic recovery plan since Roosevelt

            Delivered the largest infrastructure plan since Eisenhower

            Confirmed the most judges since Kennedy

            Delivered with Obama the second-largest healthcare bill since Johnson

            • delivered the largest climate change bill in history
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      Anyone know who’s going on the libertarian ticket next year?

      I know it will be an absolute moron

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      It’s actually just resignation to the fact that people are so uninterested in their children’s futures that they couldn’t be bothered to learn about a new candidate. I don’t think he’s wrong about it, sadly.

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      I’m going to go so far as to say Trump is the only person Biden can beat (but even that isn’t guaranteed if you look at current polling of likely voters). He is an supremely terrible candidate, like Clinton was, and people choose to ignore that at their own peril.

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      STFU. Biden’s is the best presidency for progressives in 50 years. Go ahead, name another who has been better for progressives. Shame on you for feeding the Trump narrative.

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      “the only person in the DNC capable of winning an election against fucking trump?!?”, yes, since he is the only one going to be the Democratic Candidate, he is the only one with any chance. Glad you worked it out on your own.

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      I mean it definitely couldn’t just be people don’t want massive changes and want a dude in the center keeping most of the status quo.

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        A centrist who has a long history of cooperation with politicians on both sides of the aisle is going to be a far more effective president than an ideologue who embodies the feelings of angry lemmy users.

        Besides, realistically, big change for the country shouldn’t be coming from the top down starting from the president. It should start locally and move up. All of these people complaining that AOC or Bernie would be some sort of political Jesus who would revolutionize the US if only the corrupt, evil DNC would pick them are completely out of touch with reality.