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Only thing he supports is money.
like every footballer on earth…
Henderson could have stayed at Liverpool, less game time but become a mentor, done more charity work etc and cement himself as a Liverpool legend.
Instead he threw it all away to play in front of 800 people, lose all good will, and I guess make bank. Hope that’s worth your legacy being tarnished.
eh, just like messi or ronaldo, they still have the spirit to play football but their body can no longer keep up with the big league, region like saudi league and the mls is a good compromisation to keep playing especially when you get good money along with it.
And he didn’t just “leave”. He basically ran out the door. It was all over so fast.
Or he could have gone to another premier league team, like the older Milner did. West Ham would have been perfect.
Dude could have gone anywhere else and it would have been better.
The 800 was kind of an outlier…
That said, his clubs average home attendance is 7900, in a stadium that holds 35,000
But 9 of the 18 teams are averaging below 5k
And Hendo’s side are now 7th in the league and got knocked out of the cup.
He made his bed…
He didn’t throw it all away.
He’s already a Liverpool legend regardless. He captained the team to the first league title in 30 years and a CL title as well.
He’s getting playing time and the bag in Saudi Arabia. Can’t blame him.
Are Liverpool fans not singing about Steven Gerrard any more?
Are Liverpool fans not singing about Steven Gerrard any more?
Did Steven Gerrard make a big show of supporting LGBT and then fuck off to Saudia Arabia for money?
No?
Okay, then your comparison is pointless.
I believe Steven Gerrard has now indeed “fucked off to Saudi Arabia for money” so I guess his only merit is that he didn’t support LGBTQ causes? That makes him better than Henderson?
If you’re promoting LGBTQ and calling yourself a supporter, then the first opportunity you get are happy to fuck off to a country where you can be killed for being gay then you very clearly do not care at all about the cause you claim to champion. That’s the issue people have with him, he never gave a shit at all but decided to use the gay community for some good PR and then was happy to throw them away as soon as someone offered him more money.
Most people in real life don’t give a shit that he spoke up about gay rights than went off to Saudi Arabia. He’s still going to be considered a legend by most Liverpool fans, regardless of whatever Reddit thinks.
Do you see your logic? Henderson is a worse person than Gerrard even though they are doing the same thing because Henderson spoke up for gay people in this country and Gerrard didn’t.
I personally think Henderson is a worse person for that. Gerrard hasn’t been for or against a sensitive subject like that so if he goes to SA for lots of money, fine, I still think less of him. In my opinion, Henderson is held to higher standard because of his public support for LGBTIQA+.
I’m simplifying but it’s like seeing the average joe driving a Hummer and then Thunberg driving a Hummer. Obviously we’d think much less of Thunberg.
Thats…not my logic.
People assume Henderson did that stuff in the UK for PR reasons and actually doesn’t care. Someone who doesn’t care but pretends to for personal gain is worse than someone who doesn’t care for a lot of people.
So Tottenham fans should like Sol Campbell more than other Arsenal players because he played for Tottenham first. That’s also a great logic
Gerrard only physically assaulted someone and sucks up to organised crime.
But did he come out against violence and organised crime BEFORE he did those things?
I never claimed he wasn’t a dick. I claimed comparisons to Henderson were erroneous.
The comparison holds, Gerrard’s reputation is fine despite his ties to organised crime and his own historic offence(s).
Henderson’s hypocrisy vis-a-vis Saudi Arabia does not outweigh that in most people’s estimation.
And if you think insincerely milking a bit of positive PR is worse than assaulting someone, then you need to get out more.
The comparison doesn’t hold. I’ve already explained why. “Worse” doesn’t come into it. It’s not relevant to why the comparison is awful.
“Person says A is a terrible thing and then does A.”
“Person says nothing public about B and then does B.”
I shouldn’t have to break it down that basic for you but apparently, you don’t get it unless I do.
“Are Liverpool fans not singing about Steven Gerrard any more?” was the qoute. The inference being that gerrard did bad things and is still a hero so why isn’t Henderson? For the reason I just explained.
It’s a terrible, terrible comparison.
But Henderson hasn’t done ‘A’. He’s just sold out to people who do ‘A’.
Whereas Gerrard has done ‘B’. Which is bad regardless of whether or not he’s publicly denounced it previously. Because organised crime and physically attacking people is bad by default.
That’s the comparison. Gerrard’s reputation is intact because barely anyone gives a shit about the moral dimension of his character. By this same measure, Henderson’s will be fine also.
Your logic is astoundingly moronic. It’s like saying Adam Johnson never spoke out against pumping kids so doesn’t belong in the same conversation as Henderson.
Football has never had as much fanatical support by people who have access to info at their fingertips in an era where everything is so well documented. Time will tell how this generation of players will be remembered, but players from 10-15 years ago are remembered as snakes and these sentiments get passed along on places like reddit where people of many ages talk shit about footy. Will be interesting to see how someone who should be a club legend will be remembered in 20 years.
Dude I doubt people will be talking about this in 2 years let alone 15.
So many players are selling out for oil money, including Messi and Ronaldo that it’s not going to care about specific individuals. That’s sportswashing for ya
Can blame him.
Obviously I can’t speak for all Liverpool fans but I know after his move to Saudi lots don’t see him as a club legend regardless of what he won with us.
I think Gerrard tarnished his legacy with fans by going out there as well.
I actually think Liverpool wanted him gone and encouraged it. FFP means that £12m is pure profit and it got his large wages off the books.
Club upper management, almost certainly
Klopp would have been happy for him to stay, fans too - if he accepted the much reduced role. Last season made it clear he was done as a first team player for us.
Unfortunately Southgate didn’t get the memo.
Henderson isn’t going to be a first teamer for England either. Dressing room leader and utility player in midfield, who knows his system very well, and he trusts to be of value in his final tournament.
Honestly 12m for an aging Henderson is a decent fee. Liverpool made the right call taking the money on offer.
At the end of the day, Henderson decided to go when he had every chance to turn them down
The club wanted him gone three years ago, Klopp stepped in a demanded an extension for him.
As Liverpool fan… We absolutely did, it came probably a year sooner than we anticipated, as we wouldn’t have expected to let Henderson, Milner and Fabinho go all in one summer but the midfield was looking tired and the wages were high, a revamp was needed, and getting rid of him helped that. If you want to be successful you can’t be too sentimental and our ownership knows this.
He could have always renegotiated his contract to a lower one and then he’d become an absolute legend, while being repaied over the years as a club embassador that does nothing
There were definitely alternatives, he chose to make a bank which wouldn’t be a problem if he didn’t use some social issues for PR earlier
Every ideology has its price
I’m a Liverpool fan and Hendo will forever be a legend regardless of him going to Saudi, He has done more for his community than any of us will ever do regardless of him playing in Saudi, Many of us have family and friends working and living in the middle east and I doubt they get tarred and feathered like they are trying to do to Hendo. YNWA
The only legacy he will now leave is one of hypocrisy.
Give it 5 years mate and he’s a Liverpool legend still and everyone has forgotten this,
I mean if you spoke to about 90% of Liverpool fans IRL I don’t think they give a shit either
but people on the internet told me what to think.
What about the fans at Wembley booing Henderson?
Reddit isn’t reflective of real life
I have a fairly significant amount of “real” friends who share the opinion on Henderson that is seen on Reddit.
Your real life isn’t everyone’s real life.
And how about the England fans at Wembley booing Henderson, they not real?
I mean neither are the few people you’ll talk to irl, your experience will likely be different to mine.
You might not care, but many won’t forget what he did.
I imagine that’s because those 90% of fans never gave a shit about lgbt people anyways
He captained Liverpool to the first title in 30 yrs and played for more than 10 yrs. In terms of playing career he is a legend
Is it hypocrisy if he invests all the Saudi money into LGBT? He obviously won’t, but let’s say he did.
On reddit his legacy is tarnished. In the city and in real life he is still a legend who lead us to the title.
How is this downvoted haha
This fucking website man
And that is the worst part.
And all those money doesn’t even made a different
Like so his grand grand grand children get an extra yacht or two now?
Why would it tarnish his Legacy as a Footballer. Players play in all sorts of leagues and places. Going to play for a Saudi club doesn’t mean he wants all the Homosexuals banned or shunned. I mean do People check where did the Gas they fill in their Vehicles come from and boycott a petrol pump because the product came from a Saudi Oil field ? Playing in the EPL doesn’t mean that the Players love Monarchy or support UK’ govt policies… Are all Newcastle players homophobic and/or support the Saudi bombings of Yemen?
I hope it’s not worth it and he regrets it for the rest of his life. What a shame.
They wanted him gone. He himself said he didn’t feel wanted in Liverpool, you guys underestimate how that influences your decisions, I will agree to cut my salary in half and move to a place where I feel valued as opposed to remaining in a place that doesn’t want me … now imagine both feeling valued and getting paid five times more money … it’s an easy decision.
He didn’t throw away his legacy, no matter what he was the Captain to finally win the prem in over 30 years plus the captain when we won basically everything else during a amazing revival of the team. No one looks down on Stevie for playing in the US or Drogba for playing in China
Hendersons whole legacy was tarnished by this, that’s crazy
No, no it wasn’t.
Sincerely, a Liverpool fan who enjoyed watching Henderson captain us to the PL & CL.
Yes, yes it was
Sincerely, a gay liverpool fan who gained confidence in knowing our captain supported people like me, just for it to turn out to be a publicity move all along.
Boo hoo.
It’s not Jordan Henderson’s job to make sure your feelings aren’t hurt.
He started his international career by being booed by the fans and he will finish it the same way
So is the lesson to not be an advocate for the whole lbgt thing? Because dozens of footballers joined the saudi league from Europe this summer and as far as i can see the only one getting this kind of negative reaction is the one guy who went out of his way to be an ally for them.
Funny way to say “don’t throw away all your supposed ‘morals’ for a bag of cash and expect no pushback”
But the people who said nothing about lbgt get no pushback, so clearly they’re better off, no?
Why would they get pushback?
They never claimed to support lgbt people so why would we have issue with them?
Right, so the lesson is to not support lgbt issues.
(Weird lesson…)
That’s a weird way of saying don’t be a sellout…
You would think the lgbt community would want high profile athletes to support their cause though. Seems counterintuitive to discourage it.
Who’s discouraging support? I’m not sure you realise why people are actually annoyed with Henderson.
If he was really a supporter of lgbt people, why would he work in a country where it is ILLEGAL for us to be there? If I wanted to go and see Henderson play over there, I’d be arrested before I left the airport.
Imagine if singer claimed to be in support of domestic violence victims, and then went and made a song with Chris Brown. Would you then be angry at domestic violence victims for condemning the singer?
Well David Beckham was in Qatar’s backpocket for sponsoring tourism-- even with their egregious human right record. Sporting figures are not acting out of altruism or causes, they are like any other professional whose talent lies in playing football and getting paid a pretty penny for doing so. I’m confident that most players are apolitical (and taking the knee was probably promoted by the EPL rather than a collective action by players).
why is football being mixed with other things? I think the only problem that football should be involved is rasicm , any other politics should not be mingled with football, it’s my opinion nobody should take offence
It’s funny how he’s getting the most hate just because he supported LGBTQ rights at one point, whereas other players who never supported them aren’t getting any hate.
I understand the hypocrisy narrative, but it’s just strange how that works.
Mind your own business, Jordan’s minding his own. Don’t try to force your views and beliefs into others.
How can Jake not understand that Jordan has obviously done this in order to promote LGBT rights. What a hero!
Such bullshit, if you’re gay you’re gay, you don’t need Jordan Henderson or anyone to be a martyr for you. Henderson has no interest in you or your life, only for himself. Be your own hero and don’t rely on celebrities or footballers to speak on your behalf. 99% of them are fucking idiots anyway.
No matter what people on Reddit say, this guy’s views are important. He is a gay footballer, he isn’t just a gay fan who can justify it away because they support Liverpool or England. He has experiences on the pitch, he’s heard the vitriol that fans come out with and there stood Henderson. A man who decided to become a face of LGBTQ inclusion in football, who subsequently abandoned it all for a big ol’ bag of cash.
If he’s saying it was disappointing it must be disappointing for so many players who aren’t out yet. I’m a member of the community and it does really fucking suck to see good representation disappear like it never mattered.
Good on Jake for having the guts to talk about it, even when he’s going to get some horrible comments about his identity in return. Henderson has done damage to the progression of inclusion in football full stop, fuck, I’d argue EA managed to do more to raise awareness with including women’s players in FUT who are often queer too and they’re solely motivated by money.
Man could have had both, now nobody will touch him with a bargepole post retirement.
Preach it sister 🙌🏻
If he hadn’t have said a word about the LGBT community and then fucked off to Saudi, obvs the impact would be considerably lessened. But don’t use our community as a platform to get brownie points when you truly couldn’t give a shit either way
You couldn’t have said it any better. There’s probably players out there who wanted to come out and the support of players like Henderson would have been encouraging, but now that he’s done this what are those players going to think? That their peers supporting them are actually just doing it for money and don’t care at all about you or your struggles? I hope it doesn’t make those considering coming out to change their minds.
It will impact them 100%. Young gay players have no role models to look up to really, they need allies to communicate that hate is unacceptable. Henderson did that and undid it just as quickly. I don’t think people clock that a gay footballer will have the same role models as a straight one purely because there is nobody else so having that extra bit of support, to say “the England captain supports me and others like me”… is so important to younger kids.
Jake will hopefully have a decent little career and be a role model for others too, but that’s years down the line now. Hope he’s doing okay, lad is only 18. Second year of college age, lot to deal with and speaking to the BBC is very brave.
Yeah to come out at such a young age in the current football environment is insane, hopefully it inspires the next generation.
It is, but I still think the fact he’s the only one, and barely a pro, and the last one killed himself over it before I was even born, is a huge problem. As in a how tf are we throwing a high horse over this, level of huge.
If I was the “Saudi PR team” I’d be chucking the bag and another bag but gold-plated at this bloke, manage to sign him and it’s suddenly 🇸🇦1-0🏴 for openly-gay pro players in the leagues.
He very well may not end up being a professional footballer. He’s famous for being gay. He’s 18, and has five appearances in the 7th Tier of the football pyramid.
Let’s say he is released (and the incredible backlash Blackpool will get despite treating him the same as all other players who don’t have the required talent to get a contract, and aren’t owed a living based on their identity or politics). What then? He’s going to be some sort of Brooklyn Beckham figure getting signed for PR unless he concentrates on his football and pushes on.
What’s your point? Do you think he doesn’t realize he has to work hard? Do you think he wants to be treated any differently?
What a strange comment.
Why does any of this matter?
And no, I really doubt Blackpool will get a bad reputation for releasing him if it came to that, what do you think of the LGBTQ community if that’s your anticipated reaction? Sure, maybe some people will be disappointed that he might not make it but they’re not going to label the football club homophobic, especially considering he’s one of the very few openly gay footballers!
If anything he’d praise Blackpool for making him comfortable enough to reveal it.
No need to look for something that isn’t there, or to make a point that’s wholly irrelevant to the wider conversation.
Thanks though
It doesn’t, just as his opinion doesn’t matter.
But what’s strange is seeing thousands of people obsessed over a 17 year olds sex life. There’s a word for people who sexualise children, I believe.
Thanks though.
This is bullshit. Colin Martin was the first openly gay player to play in any top division football league. He played for The Loons in the MLS, who I am a supporter of. When he came out we all loved him. I’m gay and so he became a favorite of mine. But he wasn’t good enough to keep playing and was eventually released by the club. The Loons did not receive any backlash for the decision
You’ve fabricated a scenario in your head that has no basis in reality
I’m queer myself and it feels like famous people only support us when it’s convenient for them, and good for PR. So yeah disappointing af
It’s the reaction that’s the problem. There will be loads of gay footballers out there, but I imagine most of them just want to live their lives. They want to be known as themselves and not just based on one minor characteristic (sexual identity). Anyone who comes out just becomes the “gay footballer”.
This lad is the perfect example. If he wasn’t gay none of us would know or care who he was. This sort of reaction undermines the wider cause and makes it less likely for the more prominent footballers to come out.
Kind of agree, but feel like that problem goes away once a handful have come out.
It’s a double-edge sword, in order to truly live as a gay player without anyone caring, a few are gonna have to go through being one and ppl caring about it.
Just goes to show pro athletes should not get involved with causes like this.
Loads of players have gone to Saudi and Henderson takes as much flack as the rest of them put together.
If he keeps his mouth shut and doesn’t get involved with LBGT causes he would have been just another player getting a massive end of career payday.
His interview just made matters worse. He’s a dumb, deluded egocentric.
Horrible take. Surely the conclusion should be that when athletes get involved in social causes, they shouldn’t completely betray them. It’s not that hard an ask.
FR. It’s good that they want to stand for things and use their platform for good if that feels right for them.
Obviously then people want you to stick to it if not it looks like all they were doing is virtue signalling / PR image curation.
It’s the same thing as the person above said.
It seems like he’s not going to jeopardise generational wealth over virtue signalling
There was no jeopardy involved, he already had generational wealth and still would have earned millions in England.
he’s not going to jeopardise generational wealth over virtue signalling
he could have just had some actual virtue
Never had if he chose the bag over what he believes in… Question we should ask is if Jake Daniels would go earn the bag at Saudi rather than rotting at a league one bench
Question we should ask is if Jake Daniels would go earn the bag at Saudi rather than rotting at a league one bench
I think Jake, an openly gay man, might have a couple issues going to the Saudi league to be honest
Foreigners/expats have different rules in saudi…everyone knows this, he’ll be alright if he doesn’t make a big fuss about being gay
he’ll be alright if he doesn’t make a big fuss about being gay
And you see the problem with what you said, right?
he’ll be alright if he’s just not himself.
Cool cool fr
“He’ll be alright if he suppresses an entire part of his identity to appease bigots”
Idiot
He was a Liverpool footballer for 10-12 years, he’s already got generational wealth, the money he’s on now just guarantees his grandkids are gonna be assholes
He’s been a PL footballer for over a decade, he has generational wealth
Rich guy insincerely takes up moral/political stance which is PR friendly, commercially safe, and unradical.
Tale as old as time.
My only surprise is people still surprised pickachu face with the same rinse and repeat marketing strategy.