I’m fortunate enough where if someone stole my car, its not the end of the world. I work from home. I can afford to pay for Uber or public transportation. My life is mildly inconvenienced.
Where my buddy works two minwage jobs. Steal his car, and he’s going to struggle a lot. I helped him when his car was in the shop, and he was a mess.
And yet commenters here are going, “Poor car thief what a victim of circumstance.” While also totally cool with him fucking over others? Your empathy is fascinating.
The criminals here are the billionaires who created a system where you friend has to work TWO minimum wages job to barely get by. Don’t defend a broken system, eat the billionaires!
And this is relevant because your past experiences and current context are both universal and everybody’s life is the same as yours, so therefore if you don’t do X, then anybody who does is stupid, ugly, bad and wrong. Because if you wouldn’t do it, then literally nobody can have any reason for it
I’ve had stuff stolen but that didn’t make me think my experiences are universal. You seem to be completely unable to think outside of your own context
Yeah? What’s my privilge here? Acknowleding that having their car stolen can be an economic death sentence for some people? This man could’ve stolen anything, from a big store, from some rich guy, etc. Instead he chose to steal a car from a family that might very well depend heavily on it.
You people are so deep into your eat the rich narrative, that you completely ignore the poor/average ones. If that isn’t ironic, I don’t see what is.
Sometimes? I mean on this server’s local it’s not so bad. But on lemmy.world’s default? Ho. Le. Phuc. I can’t imagine being a young teen and not having the wisdom I do to discern what’s really happening in the world and just going along with the memes. Talk about a ruined person.
why? it’s a conversation about the impact of theft. Theft is wrong and should be punished and shunned, but the only real solution is to attack the causes of crime, otherwise it’s whack-a-mole.
Why is it a bizarre take to say “instead of just plugging the hole the water is coming through, we should also fix leaking pipes causing the flood?”
(note italics to denote caring about several things at the same time, I think its weirder to assume crime has only one cause and one solution: the perpetrator)
Sounds like you don’t want to work hard. Billionaires got to where they are through hard work. They may have started out as aillionaire, but the vast majority of them worked hard and now own the world because everyone else was too lazy to do the same.
Both can be true. People see his humanity, he’s not willing to put this baby in a bad position. He may very well be a victim of circumstance. But for all anyone knows, the people he stole the car from could have replied on it just as much. I know I’d never financially recover from that and I wouldn’t have a lot of empathy for the thief, but that doesn’t mean the situation isn’t nuanced.
he’s not willing to put this baby in a bad position
Probably because he didn’t want to get charged with child kidnapping. How much worse did this child’s life get because their parent’s car got stolen? “Sorry son, we had $8,000 started for you to go to college but someone stole our car when you were younger and that’s not something that you can bounce back from in this economy so you’ve got to take out loans.” Fuck him and fuck people who steal from their own class.
I make decent salary and recently my old car was hit while parked and the insurance totaled it. Those thieves paid me the bluebook, which is about 2/3rds of what it actually would cost to buy that car again, if I could even find one similar. I could likely wait a month and buy back my own car after repairs for that new price too. The insurance company probably made money out of the deal.
I figure the payout must be about the same for having the car stolen. So honestly, if anyone wants to steal my car just let me know and after you hock it for parts or whatever we can split the proceeds and the insurance payout and maybe we’ll both get ahead.
But barring the magical coming of universal solidarity, I can confirm that it sucks ass to lose your car even for the relatively stable and well off.
Yeah we used to hang horse thieves for a reason. Losing transportation can be a family destroying event, or even a death sentence.
There was a passage near the end of The Road where the child calls the father a murderer for robbing someone, but the father said he didn’t actually kill the man.
Yeah the thief is clearly an awful person. The parents are also bad. The only character in this story that deserves empathy is the baby as he will be doubly harmed by having awful parents who just suffered a dire financial set back because of the actions of the thief.
That being said it is easy to commend the thief, even though we shouldn’t, because we automatically have that empathy for the baby and disdain for the parents for being so irresponsible.
I really don’t think an “awful person” would give two fucks about the baby. It sucks he feels like he has to steal cars but that alone doesn’t make him awful and the fact that he was so concerned about the baby supports the claim that he is NOT awful
He is stealing from the baby. If he cared about the baby he wouldn’t steal from its family. He doesn’t want kidnapping charges, that doesn’t mean he cares about the baby.
What? No, I mean instead of bringing the baby out, handing the baby to the parents and scolding them. Why didn’t he just drop the baby’s carrier in front of their house on the side of the road without even getting out of the car? His described behavior screams compassion to me
I have to agree here. Its true that the person is/was struggling, but its action has made others struggle too. My post of course was aiming only on the act of returning the child.
If someone steals my yet to be paid in the next 2 years car, I am going bankrupt for the next 7 years. I plan to sell it once it gets paid, then buy another one. If it gets stolen, I have no perspective and financial conditions in buying a car again just by saving money.
Lot of these comments are weird.
I’m fortunate enough where if someone stole my car, its not the end of the world. I work from home. I can afford to pay for Uber or public transportation. My life is mildly inconvenienced.
Where my buddy works two minwage jobs. Steal his car, and he’s going to struggle a lot. I helped him when his car was in the shop, and he was a mess.
And yet commenters here are going, “Poor car thief what a victim of circumstance.” While also totally cool with him fucking over others? Your empathy is fascinating.
The criminals here are the billionaires who created a system where you friend has to work TWO minimum wages job to barely get by. Don’t defend a broken system, eat the billionaires!
The criminals are also the car thieves, making their own class struggle more.
Totally, he should of stole a nicer car SMH
Vote YES for banning immobilizers in luxury vehicles so they are easier to steal
Unironically this
If he steals an expensive car it’s alright though
I’ve stuggeled plenty in my life as well, yet I’ve never stolen anything. I hate billionaires and I also hate car thiefs. Don’t be a douche.
What I think he’s saying by that is that we can keep having car tiefs arrested but they are the simptom not the problem.
So or we keep bashing on the consequence or we go after it’s origins
Exactly 💯
And this is relevant because your past experiences and current context are both universal and everybody’s life is the same as yours, so therefore if you don’t do X, then anybody who does is stupid, ugly, bad and wrong. Because if you wouldn’t do it, then literally nobody can have any reason for it
You obviously haven’t had anything valuable stolen from you. But nice condescending tone, dude!
I’ve had stuff stolen but that didn’t make me think my experiences are universal. You seem to be completely unable to think outside of your own context
I am not out here trying to rationalize theft, mate. Check your privilege, bud.
“Check your privilege”, lul. Guess you don’t see the irony
Yeah? What’s my privilge here? Acknowleding that having their car stolen can be an economic death sentence for some people? This man could’ve stolen anything, from a big store, from some rich guy, etc. Instead he chose to steal a car from a family that might very well depend heavily on it.
You people are so deep into your eat the rich narrative, that you completely ignore the poor/average ones. If that isn’t ironic, I don’t see what is.
Sometimes Lemmy has the bizarrest of takes
Sometimes? I mean on this server’s local it’s not so bad. But on lemmy.world’s default? Ho. Le. Phuc. I can’t imagine being a young teen and not having the wisdom I do to discern what’s really happening in the world and just going along with the memes. Talk about a ruined person.
why? it’s a conversation about the impact of theft. Theft is wrong and should be punished and shunned, but the only real solution is to attack the causes of crime, otherwise it’s whack-a-mole.
Why is it a bizarre take to say “instead of just plugging the hole the water is coming through, we should also fix leaking pipes causing the flood?”
(note italics to denote caring about several things at the same time, I think its weirder to assume crime has only one cause and one solution: the perpetrator)
They’re not defending the system by saying car thieves suck, you nut
These people must be clinically insane, man. It’s crazy what you read on here.
Sounds like you don’t want to work hard. Billionaires got to where they are through hard work. They may have started out as aillionaire, but the vast majority of them worked hard and now own the world because everyone else was too lazy to do the same.
Both can be true. People see his humanity, he’s not willing to put this baby in a bad position. He may very well be a victim of circumstance. But for all anyone knows, the people he stole the car from could have replied on it just as much. I know I’d never financially recover from that and I wouldn’t have a lot of empathy for the thief, but that doesn’t mean the situation isn’t nuanced.
Probably because he didn’t want to get charged with child kidnapping. How much worse did this child’s life get because their parent’s car got stolen? “Sorry son, we had $8,000 started for you to go to college but someone stole our car when you were younger and that’s not something that you can bounce back from in this economy so you’ve got to take out loans.” Fuck him and fuck people who steal from their own class.
I have the right to defend myself if anyone tries to steal my vial of gamer girl bathwater and I’ll do it.
That’s how I deal with thieves instead of complaining about them online.
I make decent salary and recently my old car was hit while parked and the insurance totaled it. Those thieves paid me the bluebook, which is about 2/3rds of what it actually would cost to buy that car again, if I could even find one similar. I could likely wait a month and buy back my own car after repairs for that new price too. The insurance company probably made money out of the deal.
I figure the payout must be about the same for having the car stolen. So honestly, if anyone wants to steal my car just let me know and after you hock it for parts or whatever we can split the proceeds and the insurance payout and maybe we’ll both get ahead.
But barring the magical coming of universal solidarity, I can confirm that it sucks ass to lose your car even for the relatively stable and well off.
Sounds like you got robbed twice. 💀
I’m just pro-theft!
Yeah we used to hang horse thieves for a reason. Losing transportation can be a family destroying event, or even a death sentence.
There was a passage near the end of The Road where the child calls the father a murderer for robbing someone, but the father said he didn’t actually kill the man.
I think people like his chaotic evil personality.
“Twists and turns are my master plan”.
Are you quoting My Little Pony?
I am quoting John de Lancie. Yes.
I thought it sounded familiar and searching the phrase only led to Discord, so I figured you must’ve been! It’s a great show.
They were trying to quote MLK but made a typo.
Professionals have standards, right?
Yeah the thief is clearly an awful person. The parents are also bad. The only character in this story that deserves empathy is the baby as he will be doubly harmed by having awful parents who just suffered a dire financial set back because of the actions of the thief.
That being said it is easy to commend the thief, even though we shouldn’t, because we automatically have that empathy for the baby and disdain for the parents for being so irresponsible.
I really don’t think an “awful person” would give two fucks about the baby. It sucks he feels like he has to steal cars but that alone doesn’t make him awful and the fact that he was so concerned about the baby supports the claim that he is NOT awful
He is stealing from the baby. If he cared about the baby he wouldn’t steal from its family. He doesn’t want kidnapping charges, that doesn’t mean he cares about the baby.
So why not leave the baby on the side of the road?
Because that’s definitely way worse legally than stealing a car?!
What? No, I mean instead of bringing the baby out, handing the baby to the parents and scolding them. Why didn’t he just drop the baby’s carrier in front of their house on the side of the road without even getting out of the car? His described behavior screams compassion to me
Yeah but I’m guessing your buddy never left a baby alone in his car
I have to agree here. Its true that the person is/was struggling, but its action has made others struggle too. My post of course was aiming only on the act of returning the child.
If someone steals my yet to be paid in the next 2 years car, I am going bankrupt for the next 7 years. I plan to sell it once it gets paid, then buy another one. If it gets stolen, I have no perspective and financial conditions in buying a car again just by saving money.
Car dependance is a hell of a drug. The fact that urban design can put people in poverty like that is a wild idea.
That’s what happens when you have the fourth largest land mass in the world and awful public transportation (mostly because of car company lobbying)
But the post taught me that he’s a #hero
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