I’m not very informed on modern China and there’s a ton of sources accusing China of killing and even harvesting organs from Uyghurs and Falun Gong believers.
Is there any truth to those claims or is it all 
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I’m not very informed on modern China and there’s a ton of sources accusing China of killing and even harvesting organs from Uyghurs and Falun Gong believers.
Is there any truth to those claims or is it all ?
I’m pretty convinced its all bullshit, but:
Especially now more than ever: In my interactions with people on this subject I usually try to avoid framing it in the question of whether or not its true because IMO it doesn’t ultimately matter.
Even if you accept the Uyghur genocide itself as entirely true for the sake of discussion: the past few weeks should really clarify how much any and all moral outrage around it has been entirely cynical bullshit.
-If you stand with Israel in this situation then full stop you don’t actually give a shit about the lives of Muslims and you only scream about the Uyghurs because you want a cudgel to use against China.
-If you stand with Palestine in this situation then you have what should be a clear and self evident obligation to address the genocide your own government is actively funding and facilitating before you get involved in whatever the hell a foreign government is involved in. We have absolutely no moral leg to stand on regarding the Uyghurs until then.
I don’t think you can casually dismiss the presence/absence of a Chinese-sponsored genocide, precisely because of the language Israelis are using when perpetuating their own genocide in Gaza. Slapping a yellow star on your chest at the UN and claiming you’re the Real Victims is the modius operandi of these neoliberal ghouls. And what we saw in Xinjiang - a western-backed series of radical islamist terror bombings - is an eerie reflection of what Israel denounces Palestinians for.
At some point, this becomes an existential question of how you approach a radicalized population. The US/Israel model in Gaza is ethnic cleansing. But that’s not just in Gaza. We saw ethnic cleansing in Iraq during the civil war that happened under US occupation. And we saw it during the break-up of Yugoslavia, as western states flooded the region with agitprop and then used their own civil war as an excuse to invade. We’ve seen it in Eastern Ukraine, as a pretext for Russian invasion. We’ve seen it Indonesia and the Philippines (and before that, China and Taiwan) as Catholicism becomes the stalking horse of the western foreign policy apparatus, to divide and conquer the proletariat. Same with South America, where Catholicism becomes the thin wedge that white settler families use to separate migrants and natives. We’re seeing it in Modi’s India, with Hindus waging war on their Muslim neighbors. And we’re seeing it split populations throughout North and East Africa, too.
The Jewish/Muslim split in Gaza is simply the most obvious and pronounced method of divide-and-conquer hegemonic theory. And we need an antidote to that kind of destabilizing policy.
Its possible that Chinese policymakers have a solution, and that Xinjiang has become a major testing ground for Han-Uighur coexistence. Its also possible that China is engaging in more of the same, simply transposing western strategies onto their on soil.
But I gotta know which one is true and which one is bullshit. I can’t just concede “maybe Uighur genocide bad but Western genocide worse”.
One possibility points to a real path forward. The other leaves us all back at the drawing board.
Your error is in trying to find a comparison between overt ethnic cleansings and pogroms and the treatment of Uyghurs in China. The propaganda line of empire is woven into this kind of thinking. Equate the unequal so that the stain can be transferred. You don’t need to have a motivation to do so in order to support that line, it’s inherent to asking questions in a certain way, the way we are all taught to.
I also see tacit support for the claim of genocide early-on and then nothing to challenge it.
Well to be clear: my argument isn’t really “Uighur genocide bad but Westen genocide worse”.
My argument is: “Uighur genocide is bad if true…but if true ultimately I don’t live in China and I’m not a Chinese citizen. I am an American citizen living in America…so I should probably prioritize discussion/action regarding the Genocide my own government is an active participant in.”
Yeah the argument here (and it’s a good one) is: