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Didn’t see a lot of complaint when Bellingham scored a goal which he clearly handled, neither when he stopped the ball with his hand in own penalty box and penalty was not given.
Now you are crying for 1 mm error 🤣
Please find the Maguire goal, where they show the offside line, it comes when VAR checks for the penalty. I am sure that he was offside. How can Vavros arm play him on? I don’t get it ?
Do they count the head? Thats interesting
They made a 3D computar rendered image! So thats 100% reliable because technology and pixels!
Real fans complain about everything lmao he’s offside look at the picture
Ridiculous rules
As the laws of the game stand it is offside, however I do feel like it should be measured from the feet. I know you can score with your head, but there is always going to be a certain amount of lean while sprinting. Arms/shoulders shouldn’t come into play because a defender on the half turn is going to have their arm out for balance as they’re turning (shown in the photo). I’d prefer feet as the point of measure, but from the current rules it is offside. Fine margins at such high speed though.
it should be measured from the feet
This. They should look at feet only, that seems like the most fair. And to add to that I’d say one foot of the attacker would have to be behind a defender’s foot in its entirety for it to be offside, not just a toe.
Plus, generally it’s easier to just tell with the feet as they’re on the ground. No need for fancy graphs and close call lines.
I would ask you why you think track running isn’t measured by the runner’s feet then as well. Why does a runner cross a finish line when they cross with their head and shoulders?
If you look closely The defenders offside line is drawn from his knee a playable part of his body
yeah, I would prefer offside being like.
It’s based on the feet, and for VAR to overrule the onfield decision, the foot must be at least a set distance past the last foot of the defender to account for margin of error.
I don’t want to see any umming and ahhing about “oh, it’s milimeters off”, if it’s like… Less than 5cm, it’s onfield decision, especially if that distance could fall within the system’s margin for error.
Follow the way cricket does it for LBW reviews. The ball tracking must show over half the ball hitting/missing the stumps for it to be overturned, otherwise the onfield decision stands.
I feel that technology in sports work best when used to prevent clear mistakes in onfield judgements, not when used to split hairs on technicalities. Ruby has a great approach, onfield referee will say “Onfield decision is try, can you check for forward pass/grounding/whatever… Is that clear evidence to over-turn the try?”
I feel like football is too into trying to provide clear evidence to uphold the onfield decision, when that should be the default and it should be clear evidence to overturn otherwise you’re stuck forever in margin calls where no outcome can be clearly upheld.
As an aside , this rule is stupid. It should be feet not torso. An offensive player leaning forward in anticipation of a pass should never have been grounds for offsides. The rule is absurd as it is currently interpreted.
Understand the point your making, but as a parent who runs the line.
You’re not going to see the feet when directly opposite very easily.
I’m normally quite good with body, but seeing whose feet are further ahead. Fuck that. Feet are tiny across the other side of the pitch.
The rules become the rules for everyone.
Inches man
The call is obviously a correct one. My personal belief is that the laws of the game in conjunction with the technology we have should change to allow these plays to stand and count as goal. It’s frustrating to see such offsides like this stand when the reality is the attacker isn’t gaining an actual advantage with the 3 inches of space
My argument is that offsides should be determined by one’s center of gravity and not extremities.
What happens if a player was leaning back with their foot stretched forward to control the ball?
Would still go down to the center of gravity. If we’re standing next to each other, shoulder to shoulder, and I reach with my leg to make a play on the ball, I’m not creating an unfair advantage on the defender. Defender has the ability to reach with their leg and intercept as well.
Fair
FWIW I’m in agreement - for me something needs to change as I don’t think the above should be offside, no matter how technically offside it is. As you say it’s about creating an unfair advantage, which there isn’t in the above for me (and I realise the then issue of subjectivity, but then that’s where centre of gravity would be interesting).
Yep. At some point I feel like the rule will be adjusted but maybe I’m just wrong haha. Most ppl seem to prefer the black and white VAR decisions.
So you would need VAR for pretty much every offside call? There is no way a ref can call precise center of gravity on their own. How would you enforce that rule in lower leagues or even amateur play?
I’d argue calling center of gravity is easier than you think. If my center of gravity (hip/groin area) is past yours, the rest of the body follows and it’s an easy call.
You can see a bodypart sticking out because there is a contrast between the player and the background and in theory the part being offside should always be visible because it’s closest to the goal. How do you see what hip is closer when there are other players‘ legs in the way? Just imagine a free kick into the box with half the teams standing on one line. This is hard enough to call as is but how are they supposed to see everyone’s hip position?
It feels like VAR and refereeing in Europe are better than in some top leagues, the amount of shitty mistakes even using that same fucking technology in La Liga & EPL is unbelievable.
They don’t use the same technology. This screenshot is from the semi-automated VAR system used by the Champions League. Not sure about La Liga, but the Premier League don’t use the semi-automated system, it’s completely manual.
Then they need to adopt that system. We’ve already seen too many crucial mistakes by idiots controlling VAR (ex Liverpool disallowed goal) that cost teams points.
I can’t fathom that this is an offsides, it’s cunt-hairs. But both sides will argue forever.
I think offside should be checked on the foot positions only.
Don’t get it his hand are onside.
Offsides should be judged by foot position only, change my mind.
Given the current technology, Offsides should be determined by the part of the body that touches the ball first. If a player uses the foot, that’s the mark. If the player uses the shoulder measure from that. Then you get away from a head being offsides but the feet are on and the first touch was the foot (no offside advantage with the body part that actually mattered).