Because Earth never faced an extinction-level Cyborg War, pretty much. I’m of the opinion that the primary reason for the Federation’s ban on genetic engineering is Earth’s enduring trauma from the Eugenics War.
So it’s nothing to do with eugenics itself?
Eugenics is a major part of that trauma, being part of the war. But banning all forms of genetic engineering across the entire multi-species alliance for centuries because it can go too far is a vast overreaction. Imagine if the nuclear reactors had been completely banned because of WWII, or if viral research was banned because of COVID, or if prosthetic limbs were banned because of Wolf 359.
You’re saying that banning eugenics is an overreaction to the eugenics war? Because there’s no evidence that genetic modification was banned in general.
I think they are saying that there is a difference between genetic manipulation and eugenics. While the latter is the former, the reverse is not necessarily also the case. Our concept of eugenics explicitly tries to perfect mankind, through genetic modification and selective breeding. This is the actually creepy part of doing it. People deciding for other people if their genome is worthy enough to be allowed to reproduce. Utterly incompatible with our understanding of individual rights.
It is also uncomfortably close to nazi ideology, with aryan / pureblood German genes being desirable, and other ethnic origins not so much, leading to sterilizations in the „best“ of cases, ethnic cleansing in the others.
That being said, there are those doomsday instructions in the American desert, for our successor civilizations on big slabs of rock, written in pictograms. And one of those rules explicitly tells them to perform eugenics, to ensure mankind never reaches our current population numbers again, so they may never have to fight over a shortage of resources. And to ensure those humans will live in harmony with our world.
Those doomsday instructions were in Georgia, and hillbillies blew them up a couple of years back.
Oh wow, that’s sad to hear, but not surprising I suppose. I hope they replace them in some way before shit hits the fan
I feel like you’re actively choosing not to read what I said, because literally the entire point of that post that I’m not saying that.
I’m saying banning all forms of genetic engineering is an overreaction to the Eugenics War. Not all genetic engineering is eugenics. Like any medical technology, when used wisely, it can be invaluable in helping people and improving their lives. The Earth was so traumatized by the results of eugenics that centuries later, they still mandate the entire Federation throw out the baby with the bathwater.
DS9 clarifies this a bit:
DNA resequencing for any reason other than repairing serious birth defects is illegal. Any genetically enhanced human being is barred from serving in Starfleet or practising medicine.
And in regards to the ban:
Two hundred years ago we tried to improve the species through DNA resequencing, and what did we get for our trouble? The Eugenics Wars. For every Julian Bashir that can be created, there’s a Khan Singh waiting in the wings. A superhuman whose ambition and thirst for power have been enhanced along with his intellect. The law against genetic engineering provides a firewall against such men
@michaelgemar @Taleya @startrek I’d guess that being several generations separated from her augmented ancestor introduced enough non augmented genes they make any remaining advantage in her genome not really distinguishable from random genetic advantages any person could have.
well by La’an’s birth there’s been no “interference” with her genetics. I know in Ad Astra she mentions carrying the augmentations, but we’re talking what, 200 years of distance. So spitball it as 8 generations. It would be fairly negligible at that point, so I don’t think it’s a rational fear on her part. It’s also highly likely that in the aftermath of the war Earth made damned sure the augments weren’t interbreeding, so you get standard human genomes just swamping it out.
Willing to bet that her genes got a thorough going over when she applied as well, and nothing flagged.
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The federation sure gets trigger happy with the banhammer at times, look at the synths.
Not a trekkie and writing from a real life perspective: genetic engineering cannot have the consent of the child whereas an adult may freely consent to become a cyborg. Moreover, genetic changes are permanent in the population whereas cyborg modifications end with the individual.
Those ideas coupled with the Federation having the legacy of the Eugenics Wars in the past probably motivate them to ban genetic engineering.
Star Trek celebrates the diversity of humanity. The extremes of genetic engineering and (on the other side of the spectrum, perhaps) the Borg are symbolic of the corruption of that diversity.
For an in-universe explanation, I suppose you could just look at the degree to which cybernetics are tolerated. Rutherford-level cybernetics? No problem! Borg Queen-level cybernetics? Helm, warp nine, full reverse!
The Bynar are very tied in like the borg but it is all willing and for the most part they retain individuality at least down to the couples level.
Only reason the Borge are hated is the forced joining that removes individuality. The federation likely has no issue with the whole cyborg part.
I would argue the bynars are not doing it voluntarily either though. According to phlox in ENT, right after birth a surgeon removes a certain part of the newborn‘s brain, replacing and connecting it with their central computer.
And I would argue a literal newborn cannot give consent to this. The only difference to the Borg appears to be the larger degree of individuality, though that seems questionable too, considering how interlinked they are in the TNG episode.
Good points, however the federation still works with them…
True, i suppose the fact they only enhance their own species helps as well in making them palatable to the federation species.
Prime directive. The Federation can apply such ideals to their own citizens and to foreigners who ask for help, but not to foreign citizens who don’t ask. The Borg try to assimilate Federation citizens, so the Federation has a valid cassus belli for war. The Bynars aren’t attacking any other species, so the prime directive doesn’t apply.
Generally even ex-Borg, like Seven of Nine, aren’t disliked or mistrusted because of their remaining cybernetic implants. It’s almost always about their connection too, and implied complicity in, horrors and genocide.
As many have pointed out, trauma from the Eugenics wars is a big reason behind the Federations stance on genetic engineering, but that’s just part of it. The Federation is a Utopian Meritocracy that celebrates diversity. Genetic Engineering undermines diversity and creates inequality in a society where everyone is granted an equal opportunity to rise and succeed. This is the other half of the equation as to why the UFP doesn’t like genetic engineering.
Because old cultural taboos are not rational. Think of how for almost every animal species on earth there is a culture that labels it a delicacy and another culture that declares it impure and inedible.
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- Monkeymeat
- Apemeat
- Lizardmeat
- Beef
- Pork
- Dogmeat
- Catmeat
- Horsemeat
- Turtlemeat
- Worms
- Grubs
- Bugs
- Fish
- Shark
- Lobster
- Mussels
- Shrimp
- …
The Federation’s position on genetic engineering is not well considered
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I have a theory that explains why genetic engineering and cybernetics are a rarity amongst the main galactic civilizations.
One can point at the Eugenics Wars as a reason for Earth, at least (and the Federation, as a result), to have a phobia of genetic engineering in particular and transhumanism in general. The lasting trauma gave humanity such a collective phobia that centuries later they almost totally forbid genetic modification, and seem to limit cybernetic augmentation to corrective prostheses like Geordi’s VISOR. The encounter with the Borg reinforces this phobia, but its essence was already firmly in place.
The Eugenics Wars explain the Earth-originating phobia of transhumanism, but what about the rest of the galaxy? Vulcans might have their own half logical / half mystical reasons for rejecting augmentation, saying that such methods would be tantamount to trying to cheat one’s way to achieving pure logic. Klingons might have lingering trauma from the augment plague of the Enterprise NX-01 era, combined with the belief that augmentation is dishonorable.
We don’t know enough about the Gorn, the Tholians, the Sheliak, or the Breen to make informed guesses. They don’t seem to be chock full of cybernetics, but as to why or why not, there isn’t enough information.
But what about the Ferengi? The Romulans? The Cardassians?
All three have the means, motive, and opportunity to embrace either genetics or cybernetics, or both. None seem to be morally “above” the idea of using artificial means to advance themselves or get advantages over their enemies. And yet none seem to have embraced the idea. Why not?
This is where my theory comes in. I submit that every race that fully embraces transhumanism (Transbeingism? One doesn’t want to be too Homo sapiens-centric.) eventually either self-destructs, is destroyed, or literally transcends our conventional understanding of civilization.
As for examples, look at the Bynars. They embraced cybernetics, and were one bad solar flare away from totally destruction, saved only by a desperate theft of the Enterprise to reboot their entire planet, dependent on the good will of the victims of their theft. Look at Earth, where experimenting with genetic augmentation nearly destroyed humanity. Consider the children of Landru, who were arguably under the control of a fully cyberized intelligence, and were totally stagnant, and well on their way to extinction.
Next, consider the Borg, a fully cyberized species that has taken on the nature of an uncontrolled cancer, gobbling up unique life and technology. If they continue as they have, the other powers of the galaxy will have no choice but to destroy them out of self-defense. Also look at the example of Gary Mitchell, augmented by the Galactic Barrier, who went mad and had to be killed by Kirk before he could pose a greater threat.
Finally, consider the many beings we have seen who seem to have ascended beyond mere mortality, to the degree that they barely interact with the universe any more. Trelane, and his parents. Kevin Uxbridge. The Traveller. At the very upper scale, possibly the end result of all of this upward mobility, are the Q Continuum. But all of these beings exist in realms that defy our understanding of technology and biology. These are beings for whom cybernetics and genetic augmentation have long since been left behind; they have escaped destruction, but they also cannot remain in the same community of mere mortal beings as most other sentients in the galaxy.
In essence, augmentation is one of the great filters of galactic civilization. When a species begins tampering with its own existence, more often than not it is destroyed, but those that are not destroyed must continue to ascend; they cannot remain in a form that we would recognize as mundane life, only moreso.
TLDR: You either die the Bynars, or augment long enough to join the Q.
