"Cutting water, cutting electricity, cutting food to a mass of civilian people is against international law," said EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell in Muscat.
Hamas can surrender and they’ll get water immediately. I don’t see why Israel has to give them anything while their soldiers get killed during the takeover
You’re making vague statements that the children of Gaza should be evacuated, but that’s not a solution unless you can tell me where they would be evacuated to.
There are two and a half million people in the Gaza Strip. What place is going to accept two and a half million Palestinian refugees? Bear in mind that millions of Palestinians have already ended up as refugees throughout the region and that is already considered a huge problem. Nobody wants even more to deal with. So what country? Even if there were magical teleporters to get them there and everyone was willing to leave their homes forever, who’s going to take them in and support them?
Okay well then fuck em I guess. Shrug. We’ve tried nothing and we’re all outta ideas. Without a complete and total answer for [random internet jackass] then nothing can be done.
If you’re going to propose it as a solution, then yes, I would expect you to have answers.
I’m not trying to be cruel. But hope should have some basis in reality, and “evacuation corridors” just aren’t going to be a thing for a significant number of people. The people in Gaza are trapped there.
Few people are worried about hamas. The concern is for the women and children. The people with no say in any of this. It’s not a crime to refuse to resupply an enemy, it is a crime to starve innocent people.
Unfortunately the only right way to go about this is to completely decimate Hamas and force an unconditional surrender then occupy and reprogram Palestinians in the hope that eventually 60 years from now they are able to govern themselves as allies.
Actually the only hope of truly lasting peace is the dissolution of Israel and the creation of a new state that doesn’t limit citizenship and suffrage along ethnic or religious lines.
I doubt that would work. If history is to be of any indication then Palestinians also have no desire to co-exist with Israel. If the sides were reversed Palestine would be doing the exact same things as Israel is doing. Arabs want Israel gone and it’s been clear since the state of Israel was officially founded in 1948.
The UN drew up a two state partition but the muslims boycotted the talks. Then as soon as the plan went into effect, war broke out with the surrounding countries coming to the muslims’ aid.
Both sides were planning on trying to conquer most/any of the territory for themselves. But to state the initial partition plan was drawn up without any input from the inhabitants would be a lie.
The population at that time was around 1/3 - 2/3. After the jewish side won the initial battles a lot of foreign zionists started emigrating into the territory.
If you want to blame anyone for that you can blame the brits for promising to establish a jewish state in Palestine and not really listening to the people living there.
Well yeah, but the Israelis have given exactly 0 consideration to the Palestinians for that fact. Its not the fault of Palestinians no matter which way you cut it, and Britain isn’t in control of Israel. The Israeli state acts on its own behalf.
To my knowledge Israelis were accepting of the UN Palestine Partition plan, the Arab league (alongside Palestinians) completely rejected the idea and threatened to exterminate all jews if the plan is enacted. So the idea that Israelis have given exactly 0 consideration just isn’t factual.
Now the subsequent expansions by Israel and their treatment of Gaza, that I agree is fully on Israel.
I doubt Israel will be up for ‘dissolition’. The more achievable goal would be an end to violence and land grabs along an internationally recognized border.
Perhaps that’s true but that simply means Israel is not interested in truly lasting peace. Reconciliation is the only possible long term solution, just the same as in every other colonial project. After decades of settlement the Palestinian state would resemble Swiss cheese. It’s not feasible. A two state solution is only setting things up for further conflict down the road. As difficult as it would be, an egalitarian secular state is the only path forward.
Noone wins a war of occupation. You either learn to live with conquered peoples and give them access tibequal rights (Roman empire) or completely erase the local population (Europeans in North America).
Same rhetoric as German occupiers claiming that they would not execute civilian hostages as long as Resistance fighters would give themselves up. Sorry for the Goldwyn point but you made it a low hanging fruit.
Hamas can surrender and they’ll get water immediately. I don’t see why Israel has to give them anything while their soldiers get killed during the takeover
Israel isn’t just denying Hamas water, they are denying Palestinians water. That includes children and infants and uninvolved innocents.
Have they considered not trying to take over land that isn’t theirs?
The children living in Gaza don’t have that option. Hopefully evacuation corridors are operational.
Evacuation to where?
Anywhere that isn’t getting genocided by IDF.
Name the place.
I’m not sure what you’re getting at.
You’re making vague statements that the children of Gaza should be evacuated, but that’s not a solution unless you can tell me where they would be evacuated to.
There are two and a half million people in the Gaza Strip. What place is going to accept two and a half million Palestinian refugees? Bear in mind that millions of Palestinians have already ended up as refugees throughout the region and that is already considered a huge problem. Nobody wants even more to deal with. So what country? Even if there were magical teleporters to get them there and everyone was willing to leave their homes forever, who’s going to take them in and support them?
Okay well then fuck em I guess. Shrug. We’ve tried nothing and we’re all outta ideas. Without a complete and total answer for [random internet jackass] then nothing can be done.
You honestly expect me to have answers for this? All I can do is vaguely hope that some innocent civilians can escape. That’s literally all I have.
If you’re going to propose it as a solution, then yes, I would expect you to have answers.
I’m not trying to be cruel. But hope should have some basis in reality, and “evacuation corridors” just aren’t going to be a thing for a significant number of people. The people in Gaza are trapped there.
Few people are worried about hamas. The concern is for the women and children. The people with no say in any of this. It’s not a crime to refuse to resupply an enemy, it is a crime to starve innocent people.
https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties
Unfortunately the only right way to go about this is to completely decimate Hamas and force an unconditional surrender then occupy and reprogram Palestinians in the hope that eventually 60 years from now they are able to govern themselves as allies.
Actually the only hope of truly lasting peace is the dissolution of Israel and the creation of a new state that doesn’t limit citizenship and suffrage along ethnic or religious lines.
I doubt that would work. If history is to be of any indication then Palestinians also have no desire to co-exist with Israel. If the sides were reversed Palestine would be doing the exact same things as Israel is doing. Arabs want Israel gone and it’s been clear since the state of Israel was officially founded in 1948.
Founded is an odd way of writing colonized without any input or consideration by the people who were already living there.
The UN drew up a two state partition but the muslims boycotted the talks. Then as soon as the plan went into effect, war broke out with the surrounding countries coming to the muslims’ aid.
Both sides were planning on trying to conquer most/any of the territory for themselves. But to state the initial partition plan was drawn up without any input from the inhabitants would be a lie.
The population at that time was around 1/3 - 2/3. After the jewish side won the initial battles a lot of foreign zionists started emigrating into the territory.
If you want to blame anyone for that you can blame the brits for promising to establish a jewish state in Palestine and not really listening to the people living there.
Well yeah, but the Israelis have given exactly 0 consideration to the Palestinians for that fact. Its not the fault of Palestinians no matter which way you cut it, and Britain isn’t in control of Israel. The Israeli state acts on its own behalf.
To my knowledge Israelis were accepting of the UN Palestine Partition plan, the Arab league (alongside Palestinians) completely rejected the idea and threatened to exterminate all jews if the plan is enacted. So the idea that Israelis have given exactly 0 consideration just isn’t factual.
Now the subsequent expansions by Israel and their treatment of Gaza, that I agree is fully on Israel.
Them kick em both out, bomb Jerusalem, move on.
Just take all the Israelis out of that region and give them Ohio.
I doubt Israel will be up for ‘dissolition’. The more achievable goal would be an end to violence and land grabs along an internationally recognized border.
Perhaps that’s true but that simply means Israel is not interested in truly lasting peace. Reconciliation is the only possible long term solution, just the same as in every other colonial project. After decades of settlement the Palestinian state would resemble Swiss cheese. It’s not feasible. A two state solution is only setting things up for further conflict down the road. As difficult as it would be, an egalitarian secular state is the only path forward.
This. Israel never should have been there in the first place. It’s stolen land, ruled by a tyrannical apartheid regime.
Noone wins a war of occupation. You either learn to live with conquered peoples and give them access tibequal rights (Roman empire) or completely erase the local population (Europeans in North America).
Same rhetoric as German occupiers claiming that they would not execute civilian hostages as long as Resistance fighters would give themselves up. Sorry for the Goldwyn point but you made it a low hanging fruit.
There’s a reason they’re fighting. If you wanna know what it is, take a look at the West Bank.
You are talking about an area of the world that is nearly 50% children.