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1 year agoI was critiquing the Orwell comparison because that was what was quoted (how is this a strawman lmao?). The article is based on a report I critiqued in another comment.
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“Both sources”? The Carrd contains tons of resources with the “Resource Compilation” itself containing hundreds of sources. There is also a source section proving western promotion of terrorism in the region but this is naturally ignored. And yes, it is justified to talk of the “western narrative” when the vast majority of “research” comes from the U.S. government or NGOs affiliated with it. Notice the thread mentioning the repeated use of ASPI (a front for western imperialism) in sourcing (he forgot to mention Uyghur Human Rights Project, an NGO based in DC, which is repeatedly sourced in the report and was founded with an NED grant; I hate to repeat myself but current president of the NED Carl Gershman said, “We should not have to do this kind of work covertly. It would be terrible for democratic groups around the world to be seen as subsidized by the C.I.A. We saw that in the 60’s, and that’s why it has been discontinued. We have not had the capability of doing this, and that’s why the endowment was created” and the founder of the NED said, "A lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA”; the report is citing the CIA).
It’s not genocide if it’s part of (forced) family planning and demolishing mosques is ok because there there are still some left.
Uyghurs have never been part of some special family planning that exceeds other groups. Many ethnic minorities (including Uyghurs) were excluded from the one-child policy (which no longer exists) for some time, and when integrated into general family planning alongside other minorities were not singled out, so what is this point anyway? Family planning itself is a result of mass-line consultation and democratic procedures supervised by the CPC, which has over 90% support of the people and 10% of the population as members; it is simplistic to talk of “forced” family planning.
In regards to “demolishing mosques”, the report talks of the demolition of mosques (point 85) but without citation. Furthermore, a note on page 26 reads, “However, there is no official data available with respect to the locations of these sites, which has made it more difficult to verify alleged patterns of destruction.” The report continues, “Nevertheless, several researchers, predominantly based on detailed analysis of publicly available satellite imagery, consider that a large number of mosques have been destroyed in XUAR over the last years.” Very well, and what is the citation for this? Australian Strategic Policy Institute, of course. There is no evidence of forced “tearing down” of mosques, and satellite images have been abused in this manner before and contain no context of affairs relating to this. Having one of the highest mosque densities in the world is not something to scoff at, and if the Chinese government is attempting to eradicate mosques, they’re not doing a good job.
Tourists not visiting the internment camps is proof that nothing is happening. Also, people dying in Yemen somehow [disproves] events in China.
This is a very interesting thing to select to reply to. For one thing, this is merely a note accompanying this comment “Even if you believe the western establishment narrative, AP News has produced an article largely adhering to this but noting based on their visit that the camps and repression have been removed.” This was naturally not replied to, but let us investigate this more closely: you deliberately cut off the comment on the other end as well. My full note was:
Despite Xinjiang being open to tourism, not a single Uyghur person has been demonstrated to have been killed in captivity by the Chinese government (all while hundreds of thousands of civilians are [confirmed to be] killed in the genocide in Yemen, a region which has been largely artificially closed off). It’s strange that China has roughly 54 other ethnic groups which have been relatively unscathed, including other Muslim-majority ethnic groups such as the Hui ethnic group, which is larger than the Uyghur population.
Of course the final sentence is cut off, and this is quite fine (since one cannot expect someone to reply to an entire two sentences), but you also cut off the end of the parenthesis in the first comment: a region which has been largely artificially closed off. This allows you to say, “Tourists not visiting the internment camps is proof that nothing is happening”, but this makes no sense if it followed the mention of Yemen being artificially closed off in comparison to Xinjiang being open to tourism. There is a massive genocidal operation in a region open for tourism, and yet not a single death at the hands of the government has been identified, as compared to the actual genocide in Yemen where hundreds of thousands have been identified as killed in a completely closed off region due to Saudi occupation? What is more, the BBC did film a visit to one of these facilities. Many Islamic nations have also visited Xinjiang in envoys but this will naturally not convince you.
32·1 year agoOver 90% support for the CPC (with 10% of the population being members) compared to abysmal approval ratings of govs in the U.S.
I’ll refute all of this not for you but so other people can see (you’re defending your own world position as a citizen of Canada, the state that actually genocided their indigenous population and stole their land for mining). I’ll expect a full renunciation of your views, otherwise don’t reply.
Uyghur Genocide: https://xinjiangahr.carrd.co/
Taiwan: Taiwan has been a part of China since before the 17th century. Imperialist Japan forcibly seized this territory in 1895. In 1941, the PRC issued a declaration of war against Japan calling for the territories stolen by Japan to be recovered. In support, the US and the UK signed the Cairo Declaration stating that they would aid in the recovery of the stolen land. Again, the US and the UK reaffirmed the Cairo Declaration in the Potsdam Proclamation. In 1971, the United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2758 recognized Taiwan as a part of China. Ever since, the UN has recognized the One-China Principle which is why Taiwan does not have a seat at the UN. “臺灣民眾統獨立場趨勢分佈”, conducted by Taiwan’s National Chengchi University, an explicitly anti-CPC source, in 2022, showed the following results with regards to the perspective of Taiwanese citizens on independence and reunification: (Status Quo as Autonomous Part of China and Complete Unification Compiled [part of PRC] : 63.4%) (General Support for Independence Including Status Quo Moving Towards Independence [not part of PRC]: 30.3%) (Non-Response: 6.3%). Here we can see that in public opinion, remaining a part of the PRC has over double the support to becoming independent or pursuing independence at a later date. We can also see in general that the highest opposition forces have already conceded that Taiwan is indisputably a part of China.
Tiananmen “Massacre”:
Video of the square being evacuated (I’m sure it’s a coincidence this was only shown on Hong Kong and mainland TV and not in the west)
Classified CIA cable from a correspondent in China admitting there was no massacre
China in 1989 for one man vs. the U.S. in 2020 for a whole crowd *Are we expected to believe that a group of tanks which had just got done driving over a supposed 10,000 people would stop for one man (and try to drive around him, which the man blocks), then let him get atop the tank, bang on it, and simply try to speak to him? The context of this famous image actually demonstrates the absurdity of the story the Guardian cuts the later footage out as per.
There Was No “Tiananmen Square Massacre” - CBS News
*There was no massacre in Tiananmen Square. It had been evacuated and the fight between protestors and PLA soldiers occurred in surrounding areas. The CBS testimony says that the CPC denies the casualties in outer areas. This is incorrect, the mayor of Beijing had stated in a public report that around 200 people died including PLA soldiers.
“According to the information we have so far gathered, more than 3,000 civilians were wounded and over 200, including 36 college students, died during the riot.” (p. 47).
Xitong, Chen. Report on Checking the Turmoil and Quelling the Counter-Revolutionary Rebellion. New Star Publishers, 1989.
You’re a moron lmao
Actually they cannot say this because they are probably employed by the Chinese Government and would be put to death if they did.
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No they won’t punish your family for your actions.
Love the “Orwellian” comparison because it’s such a stretch. Just invoking random names without any need for source material so that anything bad becomes “Orwellian” as westerners can only conceptualize wrong through the writing of that anti-Semitic racist crypto-fascist.
Why are we sharing a report from last year (the report itself being nonsense)? This narrative has been going on a while with absolutely no evidence.
China is socialist under Primary Stage Socialism with development emphasized. Social safety nets and public infrastructure are not automatically steps towards socialism (in the first place because the U.S. is imperialist and finances these gains with the wealth of other nations with the aim of pacifying conflict rather than ushering in genuine positive change). This spectrum approach ignores political and developmental realities, in the first place with China being a dictatorship of the proletariat and the US being a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, and with private businesses subordinated at every step to the popular mass party (and with the final goal of expelling them when socialism is fully developed (1949/1950), since China is a backward nation that did not undergo a capitalist period before developing the DOTP. The “more state or more private” dichotomy is imo an incorrect way of looking at things.