What is and isn’t a crime that lands you hard time or civic duty hasn’t really changed much at all during modern times, at least in Finland.

When they do, the consequences change with them.

For exmple having a repeat DUI person clean roadsides is a great way to rehabilitate.

Part of resocialising is that you get to meet your demons daily. I’m from Finland and our system has one of the highest success rates in the world.

You downvoting me makes it seem like you’d prefer to coddle someone that chose harm, and I find that apalling.

I don’t think anyone with a relatively good conscience thinks The US has it right. Luckily they are only 3% percent of the world.

Yeah fuck that, dude. 😑 Like I said, actual crimes.

If you run over children with your car and have to fix potholes for 8 yeara, that’s ok in my books. Having to do that because you think women should be able to vote IS different.

But that’s merely my opinion and fits my world view perfectly

And it’s not about making money, it’s about having consiquenses. The prisoner working has a guard (at least where I live) whose pay is more than what the convict makes.

That’s exactly what I said, thank you.

It’s s bit different when you do forced labour for actual crimes and not just because you had an opinion. Disagreeing with the government is not the same as rape and murder. These germans were sentenced to life for belieiving in modern rights.

Actual crimes, as in manslaughter, rape, stealing from another.

As a Finnish person I wholeheartedly agree with Linus.

You can see a tweet, but not list of her tweets, iirc.

Sadly it is not, as you need to pay to access content by money or pay by viewing ads.

Facebook uses the same model.

If you don’t want the “premium content” by paying with way 1 or way 2, you can’t use the site.

This will end up being a final nail in the coffin for these sites, I wish.

There’s a Finnish saying “Hyvän sään aikana” which translates to “When the weather is good”. Fits this very well 😂

Steer by wire is pretty much the only cool thing. It exists elsewhere sure, but not in vehicles of this size

Very much so. My bike has a Bosch motor - even updates are done by remote control by Bosch employees and the shop can only adjust a few basic parameters.

Took me 2 weeks to get a fix that had my bike stop the electronic assistance at 18km/h instead of 25km/h.

Now it stops at 22-23km/h - but I just can’t be arsed to go through the process again.

Never Bosch again.

Considering the length of your comment, you could have started by reading the article.

The fence has been effective ever since it was put up, not sure what you are on about.

You didn’t politely disagree. He asked a direct question to which you earlier said to know the answer to.

What you kept repeating was not an answer to said question, and then you started playing stupid games against someone who’s shown time again to have no patience for them.

I thought you just said the issue the government needed to solve was random people wandering across the border without realizing it.

Sorry, that was badly worder. What I meant was that migrants were able walk over the border from wherever, whenever. It wasn’t a huge issue historically, we’re talking about a few dozen people a year maybe, because the border area is so rural, so not many asylum seekers dared to trek there. To do so, would have required ample provisions and good clothing. Surveilled fences solved that issue.

Things however changed early this year:

1. We noticed a new phenomen, asylum seeker numbers at border crossings suddenly skyrocketed. Soon enough reporters were noticing military transports bringing people from other parts of Russia to towns closer to our borders. Some immigrants were also pushed towards crossing the border illegally, at the southern area.

2. It was confirmed that Russia was providing transportation to scores of Somalian and Syrian migrants, pushing them to seek asylum from Finland, in an effort to destabilize us, and cause issues at the border.

3. Many of those asylum seekers went into hiding after being granted entry, something normal asylum seekers seldom do, as we have good social benefits systems in place that help asylum seekers a fair chance to restart their lives. The fear was that those disappeared people were Russian agents, and indeed random ifrastructure sabotaging has increased radically following the project by Russia. The worries we had turned out to be correct.

4. These migrants, in interviews, stated that they weren’t actively trying to seek asylum in Finland - Russia had pushed them to the border. They were loaded in trucks from south and east Russia, then taken closer to Finnish borders. It’s been reported that Russia even providing them with bicycles to make the final stretch.

Enter today: A few new laws and improved fences are in place now. Both plug the loopholes used by Russia. We have now laws in place to stop the phenomenon, legally, at the border, and we also have more time to respond and catch the ones who attempt an illegal border crossings.

And now, how this all ties into the news article in this thread: After all the changes we made, the next loophole they started to utilize was pushing people to Norway first, and from there on forwards. Norway is now waking up to the same reality that affected us earlier this year, and thus are starting on the same path.

It’s not all in attempt to just cause issues with Finland, getting into the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area easily and then having easy time to get deeper into EU is one of the things their saboteurs are utilizing.

These are just new sort of cold war tactics by the Russkies, and it’s sad they are using people as fodder.

The point of mentioning the road crossing points were that those places are reinforced, and yeah, it’s silliness to attempt it there, leaving no possible places to take a truck over the border due difficulty terrain - we’re talking about migrants here, not soldiers.

They aren’t using vehicles, the russians provided migrants bicycles to get to the crossing points when they had the “flood our border with immigrants” operation active some months ago.

That leaves us with one large issue to cover: people traversing the foresty areas by foot, attempting to slip in undetected. That’s where the fence comes in - they can obviously get over it if they bring a ladder, but as they struggle to even have proper shoes, a ladder becomes a luxury item they cannot afford. In any case, the fence is a slowing measure. The fence also contains alarm systems and surveillance, so that our border patrol can then pinpoint where they are needed ASAP.

The border patrol people themselves wanted this, and it’s been working well.

Here’s something for you to think about when making these silly drive over the fence remarks:

The border area consists mostly of hard to traverse terrain with only half a dozen roads or so on Russias side iirc. It’s easy for us to see vehicles approaching, because the places where the could are far and few between.

The issue is just random people walking over. We have plenty of road networks to intercept on this side, as long as we know where border guards are needed.

Final note: there are only 9 border crossing stations altogether in a border spanning 1,343km.

Being around someone who did search for something is enough (location, same wifi).