Have you looked into vote swapping programs? If you want to vote principally yet remain tactical, look into that. But don’t go around providing ideological cover for genocide.

I don’t care about this Jill person, but I won’t hold it against people for not choosing more Palestinian death. You know, you don’t need to conduct ideological cover for genocide. You can just vote and not be an apologist. You continue to make the choice to lie about Harris’ program. Will you gladly and willfully walk over thousands of Palestinian corpses to cast your vote for the one who is killing them? Yes, you will. And you’ll provide ideological cover too.

tripling down or lose a significant level of force projection in the middle east

Oh so you’re an imperialist apologist. Opinion discarded.

Y’all are barking up the wrong tree. Might I remind you this is the most winnable election in history. Harris sabotaged her own campaign because of her own bloodlust. She promised “the most lethal military.” Go get mad at her if you need someone to get mad at. I frankly don’t care for these third party losers, half of them tankies, the other half TERFs. They won’t make Harris lose. Harris herself digs her own grave and yours. She could win this by just opposing Israel, but she won’t, and you’re angry at me? Yet you’re angry at people with principles? I will not blame people for not voting for more Palestinian death.

This is the most winnable election of the entire history of elections. Liberal versus fascist, very clear choice. But no, she and Biden made a conscious decision to defend and support a genocide. Why are you blaming me, a person with very little agency in the US elections, for ruining the Dem’s chances of winning, when it is Harris and Biden themselves are sabotaging their campaign? You’re barking up the wrong tree mate. You could get mad at Harris, you could get mad at Trumpists and Republicans, but nooooooooooo. It’s the scary yet ineffectual anarchist everyone must speak against.

And they are free to speak their minds all over Lemmy. Pray tell why they are entitled to anarchist spaces for their anti-anarchism? Note that their crass and disgusting ideological cover for genocide wasn’t even removed from c/not_voting.

Also, what? Aren’t you an anarchist who’s opposed to the tanks? Anarchists won’t tolerant tankies right? Why should we tolerant liberal tanks, the liberal equivalent of tankies? And as god is my witness, they do indeed have tanks.

No, you’re just making shit up. People who already decided to vote for Harris won’t change their minds at a few memes. That’s not how anything works. You’re ascribing meaning to actions that simply cannot represent those meanings. Memes aren’t an abstention campaign.

I don’t even know who Jill Stein is, asshole. Now you’re just making shit up.

And if that’s my plan, then obviously it’s a pointless and doomed endeavor. I know people won’t listen to me. I know I can’t influence the American election as a non-American in not-America. Yet anarchists must say what only anarchists can say. And that is why I speak out against genocide.

I have never argued for abstention. Stop putting words in my mouth. And do you honestly think, I, a non-American in not-America, can affect the most influential election in the world? Get over yourself. I know people aren’t listening to me. But anarchists must say what only anarchists can say.

What’s my plan? To remind people what they’re voting for? To remind people voting isn’t enough? That plan? You’re the one who has been belittling me in the past several days over basic principled positions on opposition to genocide. You willfully and freely provide ideological cover for Harris. You simply are not entitled to do that in anarchist spaces. That’s literally all there is.

So you have no experience with dealing with real shit then. Stay in your little bubble then.

Why are you so entitled to soapbox your anti-anarchism, liberalism, electoralism, and ideological cover for genocide in our space when you can shit the floor in literally almost every other Lemmy? Go to those other communities; they’ll welcome you. No, you’re not entitled to it. Go pound sand.

You’re correct! But defending Harris and her program is a different choice. You can vote, but you don’t need to CHOOSE to defend Harris, you don’t need to CHOOSE to defend her program, you don’t need to CHOOSE to provide ideological cover for genocide. Vote if you want, but defending Harris is a different choice from voting. And doing this in an anarchist space? Why in our space? Can’t you do that in the hundreds of other Lemmy communities? Don’t use our space to soapbox. Do the ideological cover for genocide elsewhere, thank you very much.

Defending the shitty choice is defending the program of your vote. You can vote for the lesser evil, but do you need to defend the evil? Do you need to justify the evil? No. Just vote. You don’t need to defend or justify evil.

Do you have any experience organizing? Because in my experience, booting out liberals from shitting in our physical spaces is a justified thing to do. Why not digital? Are they silenced? They still have literally almost every other Lemmy to spout their electoralist evilism. They are not censored or silenced from the public, just removed from anarchist spaces.

Anarchism doesn’t mean free speech for anti-anarchists. Simple as. We welcome debate and dissent in our ranks, but don’t lay down welcome mats for those who hate us and our program. Please tell me why you should feel entitled to soapbox in our space when literally almost every other Lemmy is devoted to the Harris cause? Soapbox somewhere else. I was just taking out the trash.

No it wasn’t. They were justifying and defending Harris and defending voting for Harris. Anti-anarchists don’t get to use anarchist spaces to push anti-anarchist talking points. They have literally almost every other Lemmy instance to push their voting agenda, why should they use ours?

It’s an understandable choice. It’s a choice stemming from lack of agency and power. Choosing to defend the lesser evil and justify the evil is a different. It is a more powerful, wholly conscious choice. THAT is itself evil. You should be unhappy and outraged that you have both choice but to choose evil, to choose genocide. Yet these people, they are not. Rather, they want to wholly support the program of Harris, wilfully ignoring or downplaying that this program is evil and genocidal. That is providing ideological cover for genocide, and that is never justified.

But do you have to justify evil? Do you have to defend evil? To justify and defend is a different choice than choosing to shitty option.

Providing ideological cover for genocide and promoting anti-anarchism is worth more than what you got, which is just a slap on the wrist. But please, tell me why anarchists should tolerate anti-anarchism, liberalism, and ideological cover for genocide in their space. I’m sure it’s enlightening.