Thank you, my man. It’s weird how many people have negative thoughts about this without knowing anything about it. I’m not even an antinatalist lol, though I’m very close to it, I am childfree - those communities only represented the most extreme, most hostile persons and I’ve never participated. But that doesn’t matter to the humanistic, holistic, full of virtue person. Talk about self awareness and irony.

It’s okay, I’ve been online enough to observe that when s certain kind of person feel that they can’t “win” the argument by discussion, they tend to take it to to the personal level and enrage you by insults. For me there’s no winner, just ideas being discussed so I’m not offended. So boring to have such a fragile mindset that can be broken so easily by mere thoughs it has to be defended. Now what’s depressing is knowing that these people hold the majority. Still, thanks for your concern.

Childfree lifestyle is becoming the norm fast, btw - even in my little family oriented country, childfree services such as hotels have increased rapidly, and childfree people aren’t that frowned upon anymore. People can downvote and insult me here all they want but things are changing because they have to. Soon there will be more, and it will be a normal thing to have a neighbor childfree old couple. Then we will be able to talk about it without getting pitchforked to hell and back.

Oh, sorry, did any of your pearls fall? Thanks for your precious “engagement”. I surely won’t mistake it with any meaningful encounter. Just another one with someone who lacks knowledge but has opinions on the matter for some reason, and cannot be bothered to think for a second to make an argument that isn’t empty virtue signaling.

I guess it’s scary for some people to participate in even a conversation about something new with an open mind without being condescending. All while defending “virtue”, ironically.

Have a nice day!

Lemme know when you’re done, I have some particles to accelerate. I know those damn scientists are lying to me.

Actually, right or wrong is the point. I’m making an argument based on facts, and your argument is based on wild assumptions about me, based on my few paragraphs, not your actual thoughts. If you had good counter points then I would change my mind, but you don’t.

The problem isn’t the hand I was dealt with - it’s everyones. I have been lucky enough to have a not too bad, not too good existence but that never stopped me from looking at the less unfortunate to understand how they live. Do you want to talk about child prostitutes, slaves, people who have to scrape food from others trash cans to eat? Living in a coffin size “apartments” in Asian slums? People who have nowhere to eat, sleep, nowhere to call theirs? Who work with their hands in awful conditions for a life for millionaires they’d never mert? Aside from people, what about the countless dead animals, for sports, just fun etc? Had to die because their forests were taken and burned? Thousands of gallons of poison in all oceans, microplastics in our veins? What kind of virtue counter-acts this kind of destruction?

See, there are so many things that we do that require rage. I am not raging about my life, I am raging about the life we created in this world for ourselves and everything else. You may choose to bury your head in the sand and keep saying “oh, there’s a virtue, my life is worth living now” when you see another rainforest burning down, or another child murdered, that means you’re desensitised. You feeling good or bad about these things don’t change a damn thing.

Also, to make it clear, antinatalists are not terrorists or something lol, they oppose pain. They simply choose not to reproduce. This isn’t as extreme as any of you are making it to be.

What part of what I said is wrong, exactly?

There is nothing holding you back from being educated on the matter and making those observations yourself

Is it more depressing than humans killing everything in sight including a whole damn planet with no control over their greed?

What would you say if there was a bug that is able to live almost anywhere on earth, destroying the nearby environment and making animals go extinct, poisoning the water, sky, soil, leaving trash that’s radioactive, poison filled or very hard to degrade, while killing each other for profit and doing imaginably dark and amoral things?

We kill insects for doing a lot less. Yet when it comes to us, we’re free to harm everything and everyone, and when someone says “we should destroy this species, they’re dangerous!” They’re therapy worthy.

I think what’s therapy worthy is not being aware of even a fraction of the dark shit that goes on in the world and being content because their bubble holds up just fine and that’s all that matters. Its delusion of grandeur experienced by a whole species. Anyone who says otherwise is ridiculed and treated like they’re ill. Isn’t that convenient

I’ve always been the goth-scene-grunge kid around, getting older, I slowly ditched some of the things that felt juvenile. I didn’t wear a spiked bracelet with a band tshirt, I wore a leather harness with leather skirt, for example. I used to be a tattoo artist so work clothes weren’t different than regular clothes. I began having some health issues last year so quit my job and started running in the opposite direction with the excuse. Heels and harleys replaced by sneakers, skinny leather pants no more, only baggy light pants,75% cotton with elastic waistbands! Baggy flowy tops, all cotton or linen, all light colors, light, breating fabrics. The difference is day and night. I went to the point of rocking a kimono & a hakama with flip flops everywhere, completed by a couple of huge hoops.

I’m more comfortable than I’ve ever been and never going back.

Couple years ago I’d say Shirley Manson. Now that goth and grunge is actually dead, not a person but, Serena grom Gossip Girl really gets me these days. Beiges, tans & whites, soft fabrics, effortlessly chic, slightly outdated.

In an ideal world, I’d look like Christina Aguilera in her Back to Basics era. Her style in that era was a seamless blend of modern and vintage.

it is weird how people say that getting a lot of money, the thing whole world is based on, all humans work every day to get, is the worst thing that happened to them.

Shakespeare - shot by someone who was trying to get his money

David Lee Edwards - was a convict, spent a lot in several years, lost all his money and died.

Jeffree Dampier: was sleeping with his wife’s sister, shot and killed by her and her husband.

Urooj Khan: coughs blood and dies the next day of getting his check. Cyanide poisoning.

Michael Karoll: “parties, coke, hookers, cars”

Harrell Jr: spent too much, lent too much, killed himself after his wife left him.

Stories go on and on. Almost all of them can be linked to already unstable, unwell people, their inability to manage the money properly or them not shutting up about the huge cash pile they recently sat on, to the trashy, money crazed people around them.

You don’t believe science. Science is the process of understanding and learning about the universe. There is nothing to believe. If you agree you agree, if you disagree you prove otherwise. No dogmatism, rituals, beliefs, traditions are present unlike religions. So apples to oranges.

You can also choose to understand science if you invest enough time. You cannot, for example, see a god if you work hard. Again, apples to oranges.

I think that’s fair. Next step is to have a conversation about it, without going into the blame game. It is possible that your partner has a wildly different story and point of view.

Both parties should contribute equally.

That being said it’s a grey area. When I was out of a job and my bf worked 12 hour shifts, and came home exhausted and defeated, I didn’t mind doing all the work in the house. He did the same thing when I was working and he lost his job. Etc.

It’s more like “I can do this if you don’t have the time/energy” and less like “I am required to do this because he is required to handle finances” though. Every relationship is different so this would be better answered in relationship_advice, with context and background explained

Can you elaborate what you mean by things that science can’t explain?

Everything came from randomness and is mostly narrated by it, and there’s no escape from it. You may hit the lottery or end up with a rare fatal disease any time, your life will be changed and there’s nothing you can do about it. It’s not about god granting you awards or punishing you, it just happens. From this POV getting depressed because I went through x feels like getting depressed because water flows.

Life is painful, also joyful, beautiful and really ugly, gross and amazing. You’re supposed to fall, get hurt and then get up and run a bit more until you can’t anymore. Every good and bad thing will pass in time

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Norwegian_black_metal_scene?wprov=sfla1

It’s a tad morbid. I didn’t know most of the details about this in/famous era. Read on Dead and Euronymous too if you can. These guys were nuts. Mind blowing to think all this happened only 25 - 30 years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wreck_of_the_Titan%3A_Or%2C_Futility?wprov=sfla1

The novel that was published 17 years before the Titanic sank, about a ship that sank, named Titan. The details are creepily accurate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1775–1795_in_Western_fashion?wprov=sfla1

1775 - 1795 Western fashion, aka Marie Antoinette dominating & influencing the whole scene. It seems everything she did became a new trend and she had the eye for it too. Cool read if you’re into fashion history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somerton_Man?wprov=sfla1

Somerton Man, a death surrounded by mystery. There are some recent findings about the mans identity, still fun to read.

I can’t pick one thing and my idea of entertainment might be slightly morbid so sue me.

Hellsing intro

At college I walked to the nearest train station to pick up half smoked cigarette butts when I couldnt afford a pack of cigs (~10 km). At the end of the month usually. Me & my then boyfriend waited until like 2 am then walked the city to go through clothes & house items left besides the dumpsters. This was before covid and all that

We did some acid with my then boyfriend. When we went to sleep that morning, he couldn’t sleep. He tossed and turned, still nothing. Then he had a sudden sort of “vision” of his friend in an unfamiliar room. He called him and described the room, turns out the friend was at his childhood home, visiting his parents. He described the room pretty clearly and his friend was flabbergasted - if thats the correct word. This is the one thing I could not explain, although had some theories on how acid might enhance the “receiver” part of the brain. There’s not enough research done so that stayed as a theory. We did acid a bunch of times later, couple times just to experience something similar, but it never did.

This was an advice from my mom and for my first flat I ignored it. It ended up with landlord keeping the deposit because of some items we didn’t take with us. Mentioned items were a bunch of worthless trash he, so politely, asked us to keep in an unused room because he could need them later. After that I religiously documented every single detail & interaction with landlords(texts etc.) Saved my ass a bunch of times.

So you think going out once a week to say hi and bye to someone you don’t know determines your level of humanity, and if you don’t want that you’re antisocial?