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  • This part of a paragraph was interesting to read, especially the last sentence.

    […]Even when a man without fortune receives credit in his capacity of industrialist or merchant, it occurs with the expectation that he will function as capitalist and appropriate unpaid labour with the borrowed capital. He receives credit in his capacity of potential capitalist. The circumstance that a man without fortune but possessing energy, solidity, ability and business acumen may become a capitalist in this manner — and the commercial value of each individual is pretty accurately estimated under the capitalist mode of production — is greatly admired by apologists of the capitalist system. Although this circumstance continually brings an unwelcome number of new soldiers of fortune into the field and into competition with the already existing individual capitalists, it also reinforces the supremacy of capital itself, expands its base and enables it to recruit ever new forces for itself out of the substratum of society. In a similar way, the circumstance that the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages formed its hierarchy out of the best brains in the land, regardless of their estate, birth or fortune, was one of the principal means of consolidating ecclesiastical rule and suppressing the laity. The more a ruling class is able to assimilate the foremost minds of a ruled class, the more stable and dangerous becomes its rule.


  • Chapter 13 answer that I think? If I remember and understood Marx right, but one of the things that affects the rate of profit is average organic composition of capital, mainly constant capital to variable capital, of a total capital. A thing to keep in mind is Marx refers to the total social capital, or capital as a whole. But anyways if there more constant to variable, profit starts to fall, and then capitalists need more variable capital/workers/or other ways of exploiting labor power, to keep the same rate of profit or to increase it. Since surplus value is factored into the rate of profit. Since rate of profit is surplus value over the total capital. Or as Marx puts it

    The proportion of this surplus to the total capital is therefore expressed by the fraction s/C, in which C stands for total capital. We thus obtain the rate of profit s/C=s/(c+v), as distinct from the rate of surplus-value s/v.

    But you get a lot of dynamics going on like the more developed capitalism is in a country is, the lesser the rate of profit I think due to more constant capital? but in countries where capitalism is less developed, the higher the rate of profit, due to more variable capital.

    Also with the your original question of profit and surplus value, if it helps more, there this from chapter 2 from vol 3

    spoiler tagging since I don't want quotes to take up the whole page

    If, as Hegel would put it, the surplus therefore re-reflects itself in itself out of the rate of profit, or, put differently, the surplus is more closely characterised by the rate of profit, it appears as a surplus produced by capital above its own value over a year, or in a given period of circulation.

    Although the rate of profit thus differs numerically from the rate of surplus-value, while surplus-value and profit are actually the same thing and numerically equal, profit is nevertheless a converted form of surplus-value, a form in which its origin and the secret of its existence are obscured and extinguished. In effect, profit is the form in which surplus-value presents itself to the view, and must initially be stripped by analysis to disclose the latter. In surplus-value, the relation between capital and labour is laid bare; in the relation of capital to profit, i.e., of capital to surplus-value that appears on the one hand as an excess over the cost-price of commodities realised in the process of circulation and, on the other, as a surplus more closely determined by its relation to the total capital, the capital appears as a relation to itself, a relation in which it, as the original sum of value, is distinguished from a new value which it generated. One is conscious that capital generates this new value by its movement in the processes of production and circulation. But the way in which this occurs is cloaked in mystery and appears to originate from hidden qualities inherent in capital itself.

    Also to just Just to quote some parts from vol 3, mainly chapter 13 that might also help?

    spoiler

    […]This mode of production produces a progressive relative decrease of the variable capital as compared to the constant capital, and consequently a continuously rising organic composition of the total capital. The immediate result of this is that the rate of surplus-value, at the same, or even a rising, degree of labour exploitation, is represented by a continually falling general rate of profit. (We shall see later [Present edition: Ch. XIV. — Ed.] why this fall does not manifest itself in an absolute form, but rather as a tendency toward a progressive fall.) The progressive tendency of the general rate of profit to fall is, therefore, just an expression peculiar to the capitalist mode of production of the progressive development of the social productivity of labour. This does not mean to say that the rate of profit may not fall temporarily for other reasons. But proceeding from the nature of the capitalist mode of production, it is thereby proved logical necessity that in its development the general average rate of surplus-value must express itself in a falling general rate of profit. Since the mass of the employed living labour is continually on the decline as compared to the mass of materialised labour set in motion by it, i.e., to the productively consumed means of production, it follows that the portion of living labour, unpaid and congealed in surplus-value, must also be continually on the decrease compared to the amount of value represented by the invested total capital. Since the ratio of the mass of surplus-value to the value of the invested total capital forms the rate of profit, this rate must constantly fall.

    Even if the exploited mass of the working population were to remain constant, and only the length and intensity of the working-day were to increase, the mass of the invested capital would have to increase, since it would have to be greater in order to employ the same mass of labour under the old conditions of exploitation after the composition of capital changes.

    Since the development of the productiveness and the correspondingly higher composition of capital sets in motion an ever-increasing quantity of means of production through a constantly decreasing quantity of labour, every aliquot part of the total product, i.e., every single commodity, or each particular lot of commodities in the total mass of products, absorbs less living labour, and also contains less materialised labour, both in the depreciation of the fixed capital applied and in the raw and auxiliary materials consumed. Hence every single commodity contains a smaller sum of labour materialised in means of production and of labour newly added during production. This causes the price of the individual commodity to fall. But the mass of profits contained in the individual commodities may nevertheless increase if the rate of the absolute or relative surplus-value grows. The commodity contains less newly added labour, but its unpaid portion grows in relation to its paid portion. However, this is the case only within certain limits. With the absolute amount of living labour newly incorporated in individual commodities decreasing enormously as production develops, the absolute mass of unpaid labour contained in them will likewise decrease, however much it may have grown as compared to the paid portion. The mass of profit on each individual commodity will shrink considerably with the development of the productiveness of labour, in spite of a growth in the rate of surplus-value. And this reduction, just as the fall in the rate of profit, is only delayed by the cheapening of the elements of constant capital and by the other circumstances set forth in the first part of this book, which increase the rate of profit at a given, or even falling, rate of surplus-value.

    To add Marx also goes into counteracting the tendency of the rate of profit to fall here in chapter 14 one of them increasing the exploitation of labor. If you check out those chapters and I think chapter 15 to, Marx has examples in them, but in chapter 13 and 14 he tries to give examples.


  • Marx talks more about profit and surplus value in Vol 3, but to cite a part from chapter 1, vol 3

    In its assumed capacity of offspring of the aggregate advanced capital, surplus-value takes the converted form of profit. Hence, a certain value is capital when it is invested with a view to producing profit [4], or, there is profit because a certain value was employed as capital. Suppose profit is p. Then the formula C = c + v + s = k + s turns into the formula C = k + p, or the value of a commodity = cost-price + profit.

    The profit, such as it is represented here, is thus the same as surplus-value, only in a mystified form that is nonetheless a necessary outgrowth of the capitalist mode of production. The genesis of the mutation of values that occurs in the course of the production process, must be transferred from the variable portion of the capital to the total capital, because there is no apparent distinction between constant and variable capital in the assumed formation of the cost-price. Because at one pole the price of labour-power assumes the transmuted form of wages, surplus-value appears at the opposite pole in the transmuted form of profit.

    However, at the same time, it is a little more complicated? profit is not exactly the same as surplus value since in part one and part two of Vol 3, Marx goes into this more. ProleWiki also has something on this to https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Surplus-value#Profit_is_not_surplus-value.

    but you also have the rate of profit with the rate of surplus value that does weird things. Where the rate of profit can fall, but the rate of surplus value can remain the same, along with the general rate of profit affecting things as a whole.

    But from chapter 3 of vol 3

    Here, as at the close of the preceding chapter, and generally in this entire first part, we presume the amount of profit falling to a given capital to be equal to the total amount of surplus-value produced by means of this capital during a certain period of circulation. We thus leave aside for the present the fact that, on the one hand, this surplus-value may be broken up into various sub-forms, such as interest on capital, ground-rent, taxes, etc., and that, on the other, it is not, as a rule, identical with profit as appropriated by virtue of a general rate of profit, which will be discussed in the second part.




  • venting, mainly medical stuff

    I can’t sleep again. and I have a migraine again and it hurts. I was laying down in the dark, trying to sleep, maybe hoping it goes away. but can’t do that if I can’t fall asleep! and moving around just painful because then the right side of my head starts to hurt a ton. I did try to take a shower to maybe just relax so maybe I can sleep later on, but I ended up like, needing to sit on the floor waiting for that pulsating pain to stop

    I’m kind of frustrated since I was also really looking forward towards sleeping to. but that not happening. at least for now. maybe later on. It would be nice if my sleep was normal instead of whatever this sleep pattern is. I wouldn’t even call it a pattern at this point with how disrupted it is.








  • I’m not exactly what sure to say. And sorry you’re in a similar situation, it is rough. meow-hug you’re not being patronizing. Thanks for the offer, except it most likely I most likely won’t. Since it feels like I need to find in person stuff around where I live. I don’t know. And if it’s not that, it just sort of, really not wanting to be a burden, and I know that kind of feels like hurting myself inadvertly, but I really don’t want to bother people too much with this stuff. But then again, I do vent on here a lot on here, or sometimes bring some of this stuff up on here, and someone else has offered to let me reach out to on here to in the past, but it just again. That obstacle of not wanting to be a bother vs needing to talk about stuff

    And another part of me just doesn’t want to keep talking about these things anymore because sometimes, it just feels like it’s get old for others. Since like it just feels like there’s always something. like for example, besides all the alcohol or grief stuff with my mom or my dog

    domestic stuff

    my mental health is not the best that I also write on here at times, and if it’s not that. it’s other things like with one of my siblings, mainly her s.o, threatening my dad like four-five months ago. Which is the second time, last time being last year when my mom was ill. but my dad didn’t really deserve that. and for some reason this bothers me sometimes.

    it’s just, always something else, and feels like it’s gets old. since it feels like im not doing enough to handle these things on my own, and that I just need to somehow handle it. but on the opposite end, is I can’t either at times. but besides that just another part just sort of tired of all of this. tired of being in this same spot, same point. I need to sleep.


  • talking about my dad, and more heavy things like grief about my mom or my dog cw: alcoholism, death/grief

    so yesterday I only slept like three hours, and that was coming off a day when I didn’t sleep at all, just staying up an entire day. and then today I only slept four-five hours. like I just woke up not too long ago. anyways while doing that whole sleep deprivation stuff, yesterday. I think that was yesterday? anyways, I noticed my dad only slept like four hours. hardly sleeping like me. but like he woke up at 3am. and I guess he been up all day today. I dunno if he went to sleep during the time I was asleep for a few hours.

    but guess what! he been drinking since 3am of yesterday! and I know like, what a week or two ago? he did try to be sober. but he told me that he wanted to started to drinking and I told him that just even having one just gonna cause him to spiral. and here we are now. again. for like. I don’t know how many times anymore.

    I should be happy that he is still at least trying at times. Of course that only happen when I confronted him two years ago that resulted in him kicking me out for a week or two. That was fun. He still hasn’t said sorry for that either, especially when it stemmed from an argument that he caused.

    besides that to get into something else. I can’t stop thinking again, about my dog that died last month. I legitimately can’t stop thinking of having to wrap his body in a blanket and carry him. I can’t stop thinking about his dead body. I can’t stop of that day. and it makes me think of last year when my mom died when I saw her dead. and I can’t get those moments out of my head.

    and I don’t know who to talk about this to anyone honestly. I don’t want to bother my friends with this. Their dealing with their own issues and I am not going to burden them, especially after having a past friend suddenly cut off things with me and accuse me of dragging people down. That hurts and that still haunts me. And it makes it more harder than ever to just talk to people about things. Because then I start questioning “Wait, maybe I’m just being extremely negative and no one wants to hear this.”

    and I can’t talk to my dad about this. Since he’s drinking. And when he drinking a ton, there no support from him. If anything, it’s the other way around where I need to support him. Get/make him food if he feels like eating, remind him to drink water, see if he’s doing alright. Or hear his troubles about how he having trouble sleeping while I’m on three hours of sleep myself.

    Just fuck, sometimes I wish I could get away from everything, but where is there to go?


  • The last few chapters really interesting like chapter 33, and then comparing it to today’s time. Where a lot of things are done with banks or credit unions? One of the things this reminded me of is people who say money is dead or dying due to like things going digital? But I think Marx shows that won’t ever be the case since there will be plenty of times money will always be needed, especially in times of in crises? At least in capitalist production and that there will always be a medium of sorts? I do kind of wonder how much digital stuff has affected the medium along with credit? Since it probably made things more easier and more efficient. Like referenced here with other stuff

    According to the testimony of W. Newmarch before the Bank Committee 1857, No. 1741, other circumstances also contributed to economy in the circulating medium: penny postage, railways, telegraphy, in short, the improved means of communication; thus England can now carry on five to six times more business with about the same circulation of bank-notes.

    Also it’s really interesting that the last few chapters talked about crises more to.

    Talk about centralisation! The credit system, which has its focus in the so-called national banks and the big money-lenders and usurers surrounding them, constitutes enormous centralisation, and gives to this class of parasites the fabulous power, not only to periodically despoil industrial capitalists, but also to interfere in actual production in a most dangerous manner — and this gang knows nothing about production and has nothing to do with it. The Acts of 1844 and 1845 are proof of the growing power of these bandits, who are augmented by financiers and stock-jobbers.

    Isn’t this what happen in 2008?


  • I found this footnote from chapter 30 interesting, mainly on Engels talking about crises.

    [As I have already stated elsewhere [English edition: Vol. I. — Ed.], a change has taken place here since the last major general crisis. The acute form of the periodic process with its former ten-year cycle, appears to have given way to a more chronic, long drawn out, alternation between a relatively short and slight business improvement and a relatively long, indecisive depression-taking place in the various industrial countries at different times. But perhaps it is only a matter of a prolongation of the duration of the cycle. In the early years of world commerce, 1845-47, it can be shown that these cycles lasted about five years; from 1847 to 1867 the cycle is clearly ten years; is it possible that we are now in the preparatory stage of a new world crash of unparalleled vehemence? Many things seem to point in this direction. Since the last general crisis of 1867 many profound changes have taken place. The colossal expansion of the means of transportation and communication — ocean liners, railways, electrical telegraphy, the Suez Canal — has made a real world-market a fact. The former monopoly of England in industry has been challenged by a number of competing industrial countries; infinitely greater and varied fields have been opened in all parts of the world for the investment of surplus European capital, so that it is far more widely distributed and local over-speculation may be more easily overcome. By means of all this, most of the old breeding-grounds of crises and opportunities for their development have been eliminated or strongly reduced. At the same time, competition in the domestic market recedes before the cartels and trusts, while in the foreign market it is restricted by protective tariffs, with which all major industrial countries, England excepted, surround themselves. But these protective tariffs are nothing but preparations for the ultimate general industrial war, which shall decide who has supremacy on the world-market. Thus every factor, which works against a repetition of the old crises, carries within itself the germ of a far more powerful future crisis. — F. E.]

    Since the part of about “But these protective tariffs are nothing but preparations for the ultimate general industrial war, which shall decide who has supremacy on the world-market. Thus every factor, which works against a repetition of the old crises, carries within itself the germ of a far more powerful future crisis” Reminds me a lot of Lenin’s work on Imperialism. Also feels like Engels kind of saw the great depression?

    Also I like the footnote of Engels talking about a childhood story in 29.