All fair points. My intended point was that take some exception to Bernie’s blanket statement that the Dems abandoned the working class voters. Though I agree they haven’t focused enough there, nor message it correctly.
Biden definititely ran and led on a more progressively left platform after Bernie and AOC collaborated with them in 2020. I think it’s clear Harris was going to continue that, but I don’t think it was properly messaged
Are you trying to make a point? Because you’re not saying anything
I’m not defending Harris’ overall campaign, but I am taking some issue with Bernie claiming that the Democrats have abandoned working class voters.
I like Bernie, and he makes some good points about the lack of any bill put forth to raise the minimum wage. But I think his overall characterization is quite a bit off base, especially when compared to what the Republicans are offering working-class voters. Which is basically nothing
I’ll listen to any counterpoint with an open mind but you have to make one
The Republicans are doing zero for the working class other than lying to them and giving their money yo billionaires.
Dems supported unions where Trump impugned them
Dems forgave student loans, Republicans went to court to stop it
Dems pushed to end noncompetes for the average worker, Republicans went to court to stop it
Dems passed the CHIPS act to bring good paying jobs to multiple communities
Dems passed an infrastructure bill while Trump had 100 infrastructure weeks that accomplished nothing
Trump said he’d fire workers rather than pay them overtime
Harris promised to investigate price gouging, Trump is supported by the oligarchy
Etc, etc
It’s messaging.
Trump has proven this for 3 straight elections, and the Dems need to face reality and play the fucking game.
The average voter doesn’t want to be told they’re racist or sexist. They don’t want to hear that the other guy is a Nazi or a fascist. Even if all that is true.
All they want to hear is “Don’t worry, I’m gonna take care of shit”. The economy. Jobs. Immigration. Foreign competition. The usual shit. “We’re going to fix it, and the other guy ain’t”.
That’s what resonates about the MAGA slogan… The populace wants to believe someone’s fixing shit and they can not worry about it.
The Dems need to embrace and pound the fuck out of that messaging, and they can do it without the racist, sexist, xenophobic language the right uses
Messaging to appeal to the low-information voters that want to hear we’re gonna kick ass. Get them excited and out to the voting booth
Keep those masses happy by constantly saying you’re fixing it and point to some piddly bullshit. Yell it from the rooftops, insist you’re winning
Keep the base happy by actually governing. But keep that shit quiet, except when talking to the big donors
Trump has proven this approach works. The average American voter isn’t into policy details, they just want to feel like someone’s doing something. The Dems need to wake up and act accordingly
Yeah, OK, the US isn’t the most economically and militarily powerful country, and by extension, politically powerful🙄
To say otherwise makes you not serious
As does bringing the metric system into the argument
Fascism needs a strong leader - authoritarianism is at the core of fascism. Of course the rank and file don’t go away, but without a strong leader, they lose their power.
Serious question: Referring back to the points I made in my previous post, who is going to effectively step into the fascism void in the US when Trump is gone?
Vance? He’s a clown and isn’t a true believer in Trumpism
DeSantis? Another clown
Ken Paxton? He’s evil enough but not sure he has the charisma to inspire the MAGAts
Trump’s base is comprised of sniveling sycophants who don’t have the personality, influence, or will to actually try and take over
Sure, but I was specifically talking about the US.
That said, when the US has a potential leader embracing fascism/authoritarianism, it creates an opportunity for the growth of those political ideologies across the world.
Keeping Trump out of office and believers in democracy in office will help blunt the power and growth of fascism across the globe. It’s not the sole solution, but it’s quite important that the most powerful country in the world not elect fascists.
While I generally agree with what you said, I’m not convinced Trumpism doesn’t die or at least go back into its hole when he goes away.
Trumpism is really nothing more than a power grab by an authoritarian who uses white nationalism rhetoric to enthrall the baser segment of society and amass a voting base to maintain power long enough to undermine democracy.
Trump could die tomorrow, and there’s a dozen wannabe authoritarians that would try to fill that void and run on Trumpism.
I’m not convinced there’s any MAGAts out there than can inspire the base, get the MAGAts in Congress to coalesce behind them, and solidify the financial support of the Musks, Thiels, etc of the oligarchy.
Not sure how to tell you this, but the right wing has, does, and will target ANY Democratic (or 3rd party) candidate that poses a realistic chance of beating them in the presidential election. The right wing doesn’t want or know how to govern, they just want to control, so they attack those that are qualified to govern.
Russia and China support and amplify unserious 3rd party candidates like Stein and RFK Jr with the support of the Republicans, because without splitting the left’s votes, the Republicans would be a powerless minority
That liberal Mitch McConnell is anti-tariff:
I’m not following what point you’re trying to make here.
Kamala Harris’ team is going to make known any and all Republicans who support her in an effort to try and convince Independents and Republicans who don’t like Trump to get out on Election Day and vote for her, particularly in swing states. That’s just smart politicking to try and beat Trump.
I would guess the average Democratic voter hates Dick Cheney but understands that when people as awful as Liz or Dick Cheney actually endorse Harris publicly, it is a clear indication just how dangerousTrump and MAGA really are.
Ona daily basis, Trump and Vance make no attempt to hide their hatred of women, drag queens, gays, lwsnians, immigrants, people of color, etc. While Harris and the Dems defend those groups publicly, legally and politically.
Whether the Left is perfect or not is not the point. MAGA would like to see Chappel Roan censored, disempowered, and possibly imprisoned.
I’m not calling Chapell a centrist, I’m saying she being foolish and failing to exercise her influence. She couldn’t instead say “I don’t disagree with Harris on A, B, C, but I support her candidacy because of basic human rights, and here’s what I would like her to commit to”.
Instead, she’s failing to help her fans understand what’s at stake here, and they may sit on the sidelines come election day
I don’t see how the full quote really changes anything.
I fully agree with her position that folks she be informed and engaged in their local politics.
Fully agree with her that people should use critical thinking skills.
But saying both sides have the same amount of problems is a ridiculous false equivalency, and directly threatens the very people she supports. One side is going to make life a living hell (if not outright cause deaths - see: abortion rights for an example) for LGTBQ+ people, for women, and for people of color. There’s no “both sides” argument here.
She’s within her right to call out the Left for specific issues she disagrees on, but she loses credibility for effectively saying one side is not better than the other in all the areas I’ve described
Without getting too deep into the intracacies, as a liberal, my thoughts are:
I would certainly prefer the jobs stay in the US
I don’t know that Trump - assuming he were to win the election - can impose such tariffs based on USMCA. Like, I literally an bit an expert in that trade agreement, but there may be restrictions
Tariffs don’t generally work like Trump claims they do. The consumer ultimately pays them almost every time. In this case, I don’t know enough about tractor manufacturing, but there would have to be a viable alternative company manufacturing in the US for this proposed tariff to work as Trump seemingly intends.
Where tariffs can be really effective is in newer industries where there is limited competition and a tariff can directly level the playing field between a nascent US company and a foreign company where they have either a significant competitive lead or where that foreign company is getting incentovized by their government. Think the earlier days of solar panels or wind power, where the US could have helped prevent China from taking a huge lead in those industries and positioned US companies as the leaders. Tariffs work best when you have 2 major players and you can price one of them out early (in particular, before the manufacturing equipment and skilled labor have already left).
There’s a lot of variables at play. I just don’t see it being as simple as it’s portrayed
Which quote is cherry picked? Honestly curious
I’m quite disappointed in her both-sidesism comments. Maybe that approach is defensible in “normal” times, but not when one candidate/party is fascist, authoritarian, anti-democracy, anti-women’s rights, anti-trans, anti-LGBTQ+, anti-people of color.
My feeling is that Chappell is effectively supporting that party by not taking a more vocal stand against them, particularly when she has the ability to influence so many young voters whose lives will be impacted for decades by what the extreme right has done in this country, and will further try to do if they win the White House (and/or Congress) again.
https://muckrack.com/jeannine-mancini/articles
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeannine-mancini-9b4348224
If this is a real writer and not AI generated content (with a fake public profile), it’s a college student doing intern work writing articles on topics she is given.
It’s clickbait, pure and simple
I dunno. Maybe because the average consumer doesn’t have nuclear waste sitting around their house that they can throw away in their trash?
What in the sam hell are you trying to communicate with this word salad?
But if you want to talk politics and healthcare, there’s one party that’s made any real effort at improvement in the last 2 decades, and it’s the Democrats. The Republicans try to gut the system at every opportunity.
There are plenty of Democrats in Congress that would like to continue to improve healthcare, but the Dems don’t have the numbers - particularly in the House - to pass further reform.
The article doesn’t state he voted multiple times in the same election;it appears to be saying he voted in multiple elections across several years while he was ineligible to vote.
Interestingly, orthopedic market analysts are simultaneously warning of potential headwinds in the number of orthopedic surgeries due to the anticipated growth in the use of Ozempic and similar drugs. These weight-loss drugs will reduce the stress on joints such as hips, knees, and vertebrae, delaying, and in some cases eliminating, the need for orthopedic surgery.
Of course, there are many factors at play including the aging population, the rate of increase of prescriptions, whether insurers eventually cover the use of such drugs, and the manufacturers’ ability to keep up with the demand.
The vast majority of people moving to Bluesky aren’t the least concerned about decentralized or not. They want off of Fascist Elmo’s platform. And that’s perfectly OK