It can still be achieved via international agreement, the EU can serve its intended purpose by fostering such an agreement, and then codifying it later.

My key issue with it is the slow removal of national sovereignty and the movenent of decisionmaking further away from the voter. This is the exact kind of thing that has led to the EU repeatedly trying to force through impopular proposals that infringe on the rights and privacy of citizens such as chat control.

The EU needs to focus on its roots as a common market and united front for foreign policy, not on becoming an abomination of bureaucracy.

What is “Personal Interest” in this case? Student loans?

Quite a few places, particularly if it was coupled with a decent job. Denmark, Norway, Finland, Iceland, Ireland, S. Korea, Japan, New Zealand, Portugal, Spain, Switzerland and mayyybe the US depending on how enticing the job was.

Let’s hope that everyone will agree to it.

These kinds of things should be handled on a national rather than an EU level. I don’t like the idea of giving the EU further taxation rights - that is not its purpose.

Fair, I was confused by your parallell between religious groups (christianity, islam) vs ethnicities (amish or ethnic jews). Now that you clarified, your argument makes more sense to me.

I agree with you - nobody should be displaced from their homes, even in the face of somebody elses “home claim”, since this would eternally perpetuate the same problem.

There is some food for thought that follows from this reasoning also. The foundation/creation/growth of almost every nation/state (I’m sure there is some unique obscure one somewhere who can claim to be the first humans to settle their land) has involved displacing people, and almost every settled people has done so by displacing those who came before. Does this not mean almost every other past creation/perpetuation/growth of a state/nation/settled people was wrong? (Even the kurdish people settled their current territories by force, just a long, long time ago)

That is simply incorrect. Most Israeli citizens were born in Israel

A point of critique to your critique. There are ethnic jews, cultural jews and religious jews. Most ethnic/cultural jews are not religious jews. See more in my other comment

Just because someone is born in a country doesn’t automatically make them “of that nation” identity-wise first and foremost. Take the romani peoples as another example, they often identify first and foremost as romani, rather than by the country of their birth.

You mix up the religion Judaism with the ethnicity and culture. The jewish cultural and ethnic group is amongst the least religious peoples in the world, as many as 75% according to a study a few years back being atheist or agnostic (myself included).

The various jewish ethnic groups do have genetic ties to a geographic area and have diseases almost entirely unique to that ancestry.

That does however beg the question of whether ancestry is any sort of motivation to lay claim to an area of land in the first place. A question that can be endlessly debated and if accepted at face value opens up endless cans of worms. (How far back? Forever? Can it be lost? What if multiple peoples have claim to an area? etc. etc.)

Please read the comment you replied to. “bombings of children” would be covered by “death and destruction”, i.e things I (and hopefully you) don’t want happening.

I’ve seen the claim many times before and it’s been thoroughly debunked as disinformation again and again.

Oh? Well in that case please go ahead! I’ve yet to see such a “thorough debunking”. Don’t worry, I’ll be patient. Go ahead and make me pleasantly surprised.

Edit: Been a few hours at this point, and it seems like @Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world wasn’t able to “thoroughly debunk” my statement, instead leaving behind a downvote. I’ll open up the call to anyone who finds this comment in the future. Prove me wrong!

In this instance I’d love to be wrong, it’d be a good thing if Palestinian schools aren’t brain washing kids with hateful propaganda.

Do you really think trolling is appropriate for such a serious topic?

I don’t think anybody here wants death and destruction.

Two wrongs don’t make a right. I was highlighting to the OP why education (in this instance) isn’t actually reducing bigotry and hate like it would in many other cases, but instead making the problem worse.

Besides, the issue with problematic materials in teaching is hardly limited to Gaza.

If you’re unhappy with this particular link, just search yourself. There are condemnations from several institutions (amongst them the EU comission). This is pretty much common knowledge for those who are familiar with the situation.

Unfortunately, education in Gaza has been directly linked to the incitement of terrorism. In Gaza the children read textbooks in school containing hateful, antisemitic messaging along with encouraging martyrdom and jihad.

https://www.impact-se.org/wp-content/uploads/Review-of-2022-UNRWA-Produced-School-Materials.pdf

Some basic QOL-fixes such as asthma, eyesight and allergies. Fix the propensity for alzheimers and heart disease. After that, probably not much.

You’re casually leaving out the 150K that went to Palestine from 1931 to 1936.

I’m not a walking history book, and my time is limited. Besides, these people were coming from many places, not just Germany. If you (or anyone else for that matter) wants to explore the topic further there are plenty of books out there.

Jews are far safer in America than in israel which really begs the question why Israel needs to exist.

Because it already exists, and the people live there, call it home, and have done so for generations. They have a right to defend its existence. The same can be asked for the Palestinian Territories, or most other homelands of persecuted peoples. There are other, safer places, but this is their home.

I would also mention that recent events have highlighted that the US really can’t be counted on being/remaining safe, for people in general. Your political system is fucked up, is taking away basic rights from people, and political violence is on the rise.

Israel ceasing would in all likelihood mean genocide. Given the actions of Hamas on October 7th, there would be not tens of thousands of dead if the state of Israel “just stopped existing”, but hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dead. Even if the state was gone, the people it was protecting would still be there.

There needs to be peace, for all involved. That is what I think, not more, not less.

I also won’t deign you any further replies, given how you don’t seem interested in civil discussion, but rather strawmen and drawing warped parallells where there are none.

Your source lines up rather well with the knowledge that I based this on - some 60k refugees into the Mandate '36-'39. After the end of the war it was mostly survivors after the holocaust and later on refugees from various regions such as the middle-east and the USSR/Russia, both of which persecute(d) and have huge problems with antisemitism to this day.

Won’t elaborate on other persecuted peoples since the OP asked about Israel and jews specifically, but there’s certainly an argument to be made that cultural groups without or outside of an autonomous homeland are more exposed than others.

Can’t speak for the Americas, but where I live right now certainly isn’t “perfectly safe” for jews. The closest synagogue to where I live is attacked pretty much on an annual basis, and the one jewish school in my country has to have round-the-clock armed guards. The only thing keeping me “safe” is that this part of my heritage isn’t publicly known. As mentioned in my previous comment, I would have left if I wasn’t fine with hiding/suppressing that part of my identity.

I’d strongly recommend educating yourself a bit on the subject before commenting further.

Exactly the same situation for me. What I miss most perhaps is play-by-post roleplay communities. A lot of them have straight up died after many of us left reddit, and we never managed to move them elsewhere.