Nuance and manual labor are still favored after the industrial era, no?
Look at how many people in California want hand crafted this or hand crafted that. Now you want to talk about Art? You really think that community and its enjoyers will just up and abandon?
This is nonsense technological paranoia like it is every year, since literally the beginning of time.
Let’s catch up, and recognize that we can handle progress if we do it carefully and responsibly.
I want to (humbly) recommend a book called “How we got to now” I read in my college years. There’s also a tv show but they do a good job of outlining progress and pushback over the years
So people will pay for especially well done things…
…so amateurs have to become masters to succeed?
This is not “technological paranoia” this is actually admitting we live in a capitalist society where everything is monetized and controlled by corporations. You are living in a fantasy if you don’t understand that these technologies CAN and WILL be used to maximize profit, and society CAN and WILL become accustomed to this.
“No you don’t understand, people will stay with horses and buggies, because they appreciate the craft of the carriage and the companionship of a horse!”
“No you don’t understand, people will still read physical newspapers! Because they appreciate the physical paper in their hand and the professional journalism!”
AI will replace anything that it saves or makes money to do so, to say otherwise is naive and/or willfully ignorant at best, you will gladly sell entire industries to the corporation to save a dollar and applaud them for doing it. Automation did the same thing, and you are a liar or a fool if you suggest otherwise, when was the last time you did laundry by hand?
Just stop, please. I hate people who would halt all progress if they had the power, just because they’re scared shitless of every new thing. Just deal with it, it’s happening, because people like using AI.
Anyway, as a bonus, here’s a poem by ChatGPT about people like you (I especially love the term “travelers of yesterday”, that’s brilliant).
In the grand scheme of life, where thoughts like rivers flow,
Where ideas spark like lightning, still some fear the glow.
There are those who shy from sunrise, clinging to the night,
Whose eyes would halt advancement, locked in constant fright.
They gaze upon the vessels, adrift in cyberspace,
See not the wonder, just the alien and unknown face.
Caught in a web of worries, they refuse the new,
These travelers of yesterday, of an old and fading hue.
Their hearts, they yearn for comfort, echoes of the past,
A time when life was simple, and changes were not vast.
They fear the march of progress might leave them far behind,
In the dust of innovation, out of sight, out of mind.
But change is but a river, a constant, flowing force,
It whittles away the old in time, upon its endless course.
Each new invention, each step is not meant to aureate,
But to aid mankind and gently guide it towards a greater state.
So to them I say, fear not the dawning of the day,
Embrace the rising sun, let its light lead you the way.
For progress is humanity’s inherent trait,
Thrive in this continuous flow, you have a say, it’s never late.
In the grand plan of life, there’s room for fear and cheer,
For those who gaze upon change and those who hold it near,
And perhaps in time, the hesitant will see,
That change, though fearsome, paves the path to what may be.
I don’t want to “halt all progress” you dimwit, I want these tools not to be in the control of massive corporations who WILL use them to fuck you, fuck me, and fuck everyone in the name of profit. This is a golden ticket for the corporations to replace all creative positions, and further reduce the job market for everyone.
I am not “scared shitless” you strawman building ignoramus, I know what is gonna happen because I am not some moron so fascinated with his shiny AI toy that they can’t see the ramifications.
Stop pretending I said things I didn’t, stop putting words in my mouth, and stop acting like some self satisfied smug asshole because you like playing with a plagiarism machine. Your willingness to chase tech for your own gratification is exactly what is making this become adopted too quickly. I bet you think the recent writers and actors strikes were unfounded, but these people are literally going to have their entire industry taken out from under them because some dickheads in suits can make an extra dollar off it.
You refuse to engage with me in good faith, and just keep repeating the same tired “you’re scared and stupid” BULLSHIT over and over, I hope you lose your job and your passion to the AI because thats whats happening for millions of people, enjoy your AI toys you heartless corporate bootlicker.
EDIT
Also thanks for literally saying YOU HATE ME because I disagree with you. Get bent you brainless child, you literally don’t know what you are saying or what you are fighting for. You literally addressed none of my arguments, and just kept personally attacking me. I hope you are a bot, because a human as ignorant and hateful as you shouldn’t be wasting oxygen.
My dude, you’re exactly as those people destroying machines because they would steal our jobs. Turns out they were wrong and it will turn out you’re wrong as well.
This stuff is open source. Seriously, no corporation has a better image generating AI than the open source ones. Currently GPT4 is still leading in text, but that too shall pass.
Maybe you’re not literally scared shitless, but you’re scared of changes which is stupid. You understand close to nothing about the topic but you present your opinion very strongly. Almost as if your lack of understanding was compensated by being loud. You know what else builds on the same premise? Racism, homophobia and all the other nice stuff. Before you go on and present your word vomit again, this is not a strawman, I’m not saying you’re racist, just that I would be 0% surprised if you were.
I’m gonna skip the word vomit about plagiarism machine, your education was attempted, but you persevered and ignored it all. Congrats.
If you hear that you’re scared very often, it’s obvious that you are right and everyone else is wrong. Right? And yes, I’ll enjoy my AI toys. I suggest you find your own to be less miserable. I’m afraid I’m not gonna lick any corporate boots, though we’ve already established that the link between corporations and AI is very confusing for you.
Regarding saying I hate you. Well, not sure why you’re thanking me, but you’re welcome. Seriously, you and people like you are the cancer of society (along with the corporations, you have at least one thing correct) and if you all stopped holding back our progress, I’d appreciate it.
Anyway, this is a community I started for fans of WWDITS, not for small and scared people to vent their frustrations. So you can either move this “discussion” somewhere else (best case scenario you can just stop, but we both know you’re not able to), or I’m banning you from this community on your next off-topic comment.
“You know what else builds on the same premise? Racism, homophobia and all the other nice stuff. Before you go on and present your word vomit again, this is not a strawman, I’m not saying you’re racist, just that I would be 0% surprised if you were.”
You have no business being a moderator of anything, you have done nothing but build strawmen and make personal attacks. Please, ban me, I love the show but I want nothing to do with any community run by such an egomaniac as you.
Your entire engagement with my argument is “but there are open source projects”, which literally has nothing to do with the concerns I am voicing.
You have accused me of being a racist and a homophobe, told me you hate me, and called me a “cancer of society” because I disagreed with you. Fuck you and fuck your shitty little hovel you call a community. You literally made all those bullshit statements and then said “and if you respond I’ll ban you”. You do not deserve any measure of power over anyone if this is how you conduct yourself, you have allowed this tiny bit of power to go to your head.
Fuck your shitty AI art, instead of giving a starving artist a few dollars you spent it on a corporation, who used it to harm the environment. All so you could pretend you made something instead of supporting the arts. You should be ashamed at how you acted when called out for this, you should not be moderator of anything, and you are a hateful person who is completely detached from reality.
Please, commence with the ban and prove me right, good riddance.
Just because something is no longer status quo doesn’t mean it goes away.
Generations come and go brining their masses popularities with them to death.
Art is a concept and will never die just as cleaning, cooking, and entertainment will never die.
The methods used to perform them will change of course, but that doesn’t mean that the ability to do those things is gone.
You’re pushing a narrative that just because we invented a new way to do art, that art will only be done that way (from my perspective and understanding) and that’s just fear mongering and classic progress/technological paranoia
Classic regressionist arguments here.
You make all these crazy claims and make no effort to back any of them up with examples, facts, nor findings. I won’t debate this with a “just trust me” bro
You also completely managed to twist and transform my point into a point that fits your narrative (much like AI does to translate one concept to another so it can do transformations in that same space, ironically)
When did I say that people wouldn’t follow the changes? I simply said the horse and buggy aren’t going away - and they haven’t. People now use these things called bikes which are a transformation of that concept to modern era.
Nothing stays the same, I’m sorry old timer/authoritarian raised summer child. That’s the way she goes and you are valid in enjoying things of the past. People like us will ensure you always have those things in addition to the new things so you may enjoy your life how you’d like.
And hundreds of dollars in equipment. And likely another 50 bucks on credits to be able to access the corporate proprietary software no one else can successfully emulate, making you completely dependent upon them for the mere illusion of artistic expression.
Nah. I’d rather just pay $20 to an actual human artist, or, better yet, more efficiently and meaningfully do it myself. Without some shitty AI that doesn’t even know what the hell it’s doing most of the time.
I’m really curious what “corporate proprietary software” you’re talking about. DALL-E 2 is garbage, and MidJourney isn’t corporate. This image is almost definitely generated from a Stable Diffusion XL derived model, possibly DynaVision. This can easily be run on graphics cards that many people already have for gaming. You can use a cloud host for this, but I think most people that use Stable Diffusion just run it locally because of how easy it is.
It would take about 20 minutes to produce this with zero skill for free with AI.
Cool so, how does one become an artist without commissions, or once the big studios get their teeth into AI, without any job at all?
Nuance and manual labor are still favored after the industrial era, no?
Look at how many people in California want hand crafted this or hand crafted that. Now you want to talk about Art? You really think that community and its enjoyers will just up and abandon?
This is nonsense technological paranoia like it is every year, since literally the beginning of time.
Let’s catch up, and recognize that we can handle progress if we do it carefully and responsibly.
I want to (humbly) recommend a book called “How we got to now” I read in my college years. There’s also a tv show but they do a good job of outlining progress and pushback over the years
So people will pay for especially well done things…
…so amateurs have to become masters to succeed?
This is not “technological paranoia” this is actually admitting we live in a capitalist society where everything is monetized and controlled by corporations. You are living in a fantasy if you don’t understand that these technologies CAN and WILL be used to maximize profit, and society CAN and WILL become accustomed to this.
“No you don’t understand, people will stay with horses and buggies, because they appreciate the craft of the carriage and the companionship of a horse!”
“No you don’t understand, people will still read physical newspapers! Because they appreciate the physical paper in their hand and the professional journalism!”
AI will replace anything that it saves or makes money to do so, to say otherwise is naive and/or willfully ignorant at best, you will gladly sell entire industries to the corporation to save a dollar and applaud them for doing it. Automation did the same thing, and you are a liar or a fool if you suggest otherwise, when was the last time you did laundry by hand?
Just stop, please. I hate people who would halt all progress if they had the power, just because they’re scared shitless of every new thing. Just deal with it, it’s happening, because people like using AI.
Anyway, as a bonus, here’s a poem by ChatGPT about people like you (I especially love the term “travelers of yesterday”, that’s brilliant).
In the grand scheme of life, where thoughts like rivers flow,
Where ideas spark like lightning, still some fear the glow.
There are those who shy from sunrise, clinging to the night,
Whose eyes would halt advancement, locked in constant fright.
They gaze upon the vessels, adrift in cyberspace,
See not the wonder, just the alien and unknown face.
Caught in a web of worries, they refuse the new,
These travelers of yesterday, of an old and fading hue.
Their hearts, they yearn for comfort, echoes of the past,
A time when life was simple, and changes were not vast.
They fear the march of progress might leave them far behind,
In the dust of innovation, out of sight, out of mind.
But change is but a river, a constant, flowing force,
It whittles away the old in time, upon its endless course.
Each new invention, each step is not meant to aureate,
But to aid mankind and gently guide it towards a greater state.
So to them I say, fear not the dawning of the day,
Embrace the rising sun, let its light lead you the way.
For progress is humanity’s inherent trait,
Thrive in this continuous flow, you have a say, it’s never late.
In the grand plan of life, there’s room for fear and cheer,
For those who gaze upon change and those who hold it near,
And perhaps in time, the hesitant will see,
That change, though fearsome, paves the path to what may be.
I don’t want to “halt all progress” you dimwit, I want these tools not to be in the control of massive corporations who WILL use them to fuck you, fuck me, and fuck everyone in the name of profit. This is a golden ticket for the corporations to replace all creative positions, and further reduce the job market for everyone.
I am not “scared shitless” you strawman building ignoramus, I know what is gonna happen because I am not some moron so fascinated with his shiny AI toy that they can’t see the ramifications.
Stop pretending I said things I didn’t, stop putting words in my mouth, and stop acting like some self satisfied smug asshole because you like playing with a plagiarism machine. Your willingness to chase tech for your own gratification is exactly what is making this become adopted too quickly. I bet you think the recent writers and actors strikes were unfounded, but these people are literally going to have their entire industry taken out from under them because some dickheads in suits can make an extra dollar off it.
You refuse to engage with me in good faith, and just keep repeating the same tired “you’re scared and stupid” BULLSHIT over and over, I hope you lose your job and your passion to the AI because thats whats happening for millions of people, enjoy your AI toys you heartless corporate bootlicker.
EDIT
Also thanks for literally saying YOU HATE ME because I disagree with you. Get bent you brainless child, you literally don’t know what you are saying or what you are fighting for. You literally addressed none of my arguments, and just kept personally attacking me. I hope you are a bot, because a human as ignorant and hateful as you shouldn’t be wasting oxygen.
My dude, you’re exactly as those people destroying machines because they would steal our jobs. Turns out they were wrong and it will turn out you’re wrong as well.
This stuff is open source. Seriously, no corporation has a better image generating AI than the open source ones. Currently GPT4 is still leading in text, but that too shall pass.
Maybe you’re not literally scared shitless, but you’re scared of changes which is stupid. You understand close to nothing about the topic but you present your opinion very strongly. Almost as if your lack of understanding was compensated by being loud. You know what else builds on the same premise? Racism, homophobia and all the other nice stuff. Before you go on and present your word vomit again, this is not a strawman, I’m not saying you’re racist, just that I would be 0% surprised if you were.
I’m gonna skip the word vomit about plagiarism machine, your education was attempted, but you persevered and ignored it all. Congrats.
If you hear that you’re scared very often, it’s obvious that you are right and everyone else is wrong. Right? And yes, I’ll enjoy my AI toys. I suggest you find your own to be less miserable. I’m afraid I’m not gonna lick any corporate boots, though we’ve already established that the link between corporations and AI is very confusing for you.
Regarding saying I hate you. Well, not sure why you’re thanking me, but you’re welcome. Seriously, you and people like you are the cancer of society (along with the corporations, you have at least one thing correct) and if you all stopped holding back our progress, I’d appreciate it.
Anyway, this is a community I started for fans of WWDITS, not for small and scared people to vent their frustrations. So you can either move this “discussion” somewhere else (best case scenario you can just stop, but we both know you’re not able to), or I’m banning you from this community on your next off-topic comment.
“You know what else builds on the same premise? Racism, homophobia and all the other nice stuff. Before you go on and present your word vomit again, this is not a strawman, I’m not saying you’re racist, just that I would be 0% surprised if you were.”
You have no business being a moderator of anything, you have done nothing but build strawmen and make personal attacks. Please, ban me, I love the show but I want nothing to do with any community run by such an egomaniac as you.
Your entire engagement with my argument is “but there are open source projects”, which literally has nothing to do with the concerns I am voicing.
You have accused me of being a racist and a homophobe, told me you hate me, and called me a “cancer of society” because I disagreed with you. Fuck you and fuck your shitty little hovel you call a community. You literally made all those bullshit statements and then said “and if you respond I’ll ban you”. You do not deserve any measure of power over anyone if this is how you conduct yourself, you have allowed this tiny bit of power to go to your head.
Fuck your shitty AI art, instead of giving a starving artist a few dollars you spent it on a corporation, who used it to harm the environment. All so you could pretend you made something instead of supporting the arts. You should be ashamed at how you acted when called out for this, you should not be moderator of anything, and you are a hateful person who is completely detached from reality.
Please, commence with the ban and prove me right, good riddance.
I can literally smell the fear and panic from your text. This rash destroy everything running around screaming…
I feel bad for you man. You can’t see the forest for the trees
Just because something is no longer status quo doesn’t mean it goes away.
Generations come and go brining their masses popularities with them to death.
Art is a concept and will never die just as cleaning, cooking, and entertainment will never die.
The methods used to perform them will change of course, but that doesn’t mean that the ability to do those things is gone.
You’re pushing a narrative that just because we invented a new way to do art, that art will only be done that way (from my perspective and understanding) and that’s just fear mongering and classic progress/technological paranoia
Classic regressionist arguments here.
You make all these crazy claims and make no effort to back any of them up with examples, facts, nor findings. I won’t debate this with a “just trust me” bro
You also completely managed to twist and transform my point into a point that fits your narrative (much like AI does to translate one concept to another so it can do transformations in that same space, ironically)
When did I say that people wouldn’t follow the changes? I simply said the horse and buggy aren’t going away - and they haven’t. People now use these things called bikes which are a transformation of that concept to modern era.
Nothing stays the same, I’m sorry old timer/authoritarian raised summer child. That’s the way she goes and you are valid in enjoying things of the past. People like us will ensure you always have those things in addition to the new things so you may enjoy your life how you’d like.
And hundreds of dollars in equipment. And likely another 50 bucks on credits to be able to access the corporate proprietary software no one else can successfully emulate, making you completely dependent upon them for the mere illusion of artistic expression.
Nah. I’d rather just pay $20 to an actual human artist, or, better yet, more efficiently and meaningfully do it myself. Without some shitty AI that doesn’t even know what the hell it’s doing most of the time.
I’m really curious what “corporate proprietary software” you’re talking about. DALL-E 2 is garbage, and MidJourney isn’t corporate. This image is almost definitely generated from a Stable Diffusion XL derived model, possibly DynaVision. This can easily be run on graphics cards that many people already have for gaming. You can use a cloud host for this, but I think most people that use Stable Diffusion just run it locally because of how easy it is.
You’re close! Stable Diffusion 1.5.