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    “If it can be done and it is done, for example, for crimes such as child pornography, for intellectual property, which is stealing, they should have to do it too.” - LaLiga chief Javier Tebas

    Ah yes, two equivalent crimes: CSAM and… um… watching sports without paying

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        The slippery slope is a fallacy only because there’s no proof things will go one way or the other. You can use slippery slope to say ridiculous things. E.g “if we let gays marry, it’ll be pedos next” is a good example of the fallacy whereas “if we let private corporations spy on us for a good reason, they’ll expand their powers to extract even more profit” is not, but either way, you need to know the context (which is that corporations serve to extract maximum possible wealth and have no morals).

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          The problem is that slippery slopes are often real, and citing it as a fallacy is normally done to dismiss the idea that it could be real, without making an argument. As you say, whether one thing will lead to another depends on circumstances. But a fallacy is supposed to be an argument that is wrong because of faulty logic. A claim that one thing will lead to another can be wrong, but I would say that it’s almost always wrong because the underlying premise is wrong, not because there is a claim of an existence of a slippery slope. For example the “gay marriage -> child abuse” rhetoric is coming from religious conservatives who likely believe that strict adherence to their religious rules and practice is the main thing keeping society from “degeneracy” and general bad behavior. Given the premise, the conclusion isn’t illogical, the problem is that the premise is wrong. Instead of calling it a fallacy, it would be a better argument to have the premise clarified, and make an argument against its merits.

          In the case of the OP situation, I would say that when a company is actively using tools to examine and control the contents of a user’s device, that makes it more plausible for demands that they expand what they do this for will be followed. I’m sure plenty of people would try to dismiss that as a fallacy, but really it’s a claim about how things work.

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            @chicken @boonhet It’s a difference between deductive and inductive reasoning. The slippery slope is a logical fallacy because it doesn’t actually PROVE its conclusion. That doesn’t mean the conclusion is wrong, just that the argument doesn’t prove it (though it may insinuate many possible conclusions). Other corroborating evidence can lend itself to a reasonable suspicion, or even a strong inductive argument, but it falls short of logical certainty.

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              because it doesn’t actually PROVE its conclusion

              Hardly any casual arguments do though. Almost every argument you see on the internet is a stated claim only, with the reasoning only implied. You don’t see those being called fallacies.

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      or intellectual property, which is stealing

      That had to be explained to make it sound like a bad thing. 🏴‍☠️

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      for intellectual property, which is stealing

      It’s objectively not. Am I the the only one that thinks that lying about (or being ignorant about) stuff like this is worse than piracy (but not worse than CP)?

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    They fucking finally said the quiet part loud! Make a dystopian filtering system with CSAM as an excuse, then use it for filtering piracy, unauthorized gambling sites (but just because they’re not paying the taxes, not because actually caring about the citizens mental health), and so on

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      The UK just passed this exact law. They say it’s to protect children, but it requires all companies to build a backdoor into their end to end encryption specifically so they can spy on users for “inappropriate material that is harmful to children.”

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        Is that the one that explicitely includes “positive depictions of refugees arriving” in the laws text?

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    How can it do that?

    And won’t people just use piracy websites?

    And Google already scans users phones and deletes apps?

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      it’s an emergency function that google silently introduced in all phones years ago. Theoretically it should be used if an app is widespread malware

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        What do I need to uninstall to disable this ‘feature’?

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            That’s the only component? If so, CalyxOS, GrapheneOS, LineageOS, and similar would be protected against this, since they have neither Play Services nor Play Protect. Am I correct in my understanding?

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              No, because they can always push anything over Play Services updates. But right now it does disable it.

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            What about Think Shield? Found that next to Play protect in security settings

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          the only workaround is to install a custom ROM without google play and google services

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            That’s overkill, with a rooted phone you can simply freeze (might be able to freeze it with ADB as well) or delete the Play store (it’s the Play Store where this Malware lives). GMS and Account Manager will work just fine without the Play store.

            Or, like the other person said you can just disable Play Protect.

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            I just wish theu finalky fixed it, the rate limiting is really damn annoying by now! I started to sideload apps from apkpure and update them with Aurora to keep my anonymous user account but it can’t take long till that’s gone too I guess! :(

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                Well, Aurora is the only one and it’s jalf broken and has a history of lacking development so the situation isn’t great but I don’t plan to ever get Play Services again ether

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                  The only open source one, yes. But since the Apps in the store are proprietary too, i just have both (in my case Aptoide) in Shelter with Tracker Control.

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                The problem is that a lot of apps break without Play Services.

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                  All 10 proprietary apps i use don’t, including Post, transportation, banking and Twint. Only thing that doesn’t work is some ads in the 2 games i have. I don’t know, maybe swiss companies are late in the enshitification game?

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        I also would if my phone supported them. My next phone will have to have wide custom ROM support.

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          I consider that as well and I am iOS user… Really want linux with gnome next.

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    Once again I feel quite comfortable without Google Play serives on my device!

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    As soon as google starts removing sideloaded apps forcefully without play protect, will be the time when Apples market share increases.

    Apk sideloading freedom is the only major difference left between Android and iOS