Voting registration. I get a letter that I can vote and what the options are. Then on voting day, which is on a Sunday, because why would it be on any other day, I just walk into my town hall with that letter and my ID card, put down my crosses and leave. It’s like a walk in the park, often quite literally.
I think the thing is, in America people aren’t required to register their residence with the government. At least here in Austria, we are, and that doubles as voter registration if we are eligible to vote. So there is voter registration here too, but it is compulsory.
Ah, if that’s the case, then I can get on board with a separate voting registration. Not sure, I’d prefer it, but at least it’s not just arbitrarily making democracy harder.
Making democracy harder is definitely part of it. Elections are super regional in the US, so states have a ton of control. If a state elects a state government controlled by Party A, that party has a lot of incentive to make it harder for members of Party B to vote next time. So if Party B is mostly young and working class, you make it so elections take place when those people are stuck at work. If Party A is super religious, you make sure that voting spots are near (or inside) churches. If Party B is less likely to have access to a stable address or a driver’s license, you make registering to vote without those difficult, and you maybe wipe the voter rolls occasionally and require re-registration.
The goal is retaining power and not on strengthening democracy. It’s fucked up, and it’s going to get worse as each party is forced to continue escalating. You can’t fix the system without power, and you can’t get power without undermining the system. We all know something in this country is deeply broken, but we hate and distrust each other too much to work together to fix it.
Wow. Over here, we thankfully have more than two parties, so if one party attempts such a thing, the 5+ other parties will denounce that in unison and it becomes pretty clear that it’s not just one of the usual quarrels.
It also means, you pretty much always have coalitions ruling the country, so not even the ruling parties have a shared interest in pushing anti-democratic horseshit. Many of the smaller parties would in fact really like to see more voters reached, because those are wildcards and not just voting for always the same big parties.
You definitely are required to register your home. Those property taxes aren’t going to pay themselves.
But you don’t need a home to vote. We went through a whole period in our early history where only land owners were allowed to vote, and generally only white men. It would be discriminatory to not allow homeless people to vote.
Homeless people can vote in Austria too. But they do have to register separately as such. For everyone else, the government already knows where they live (because we are required to register our residences) and uses that information to compile a voter registry .
oh I know we don’t do it on Sunday. America was so spread out that it took days to get into and kind of town. So you go to church on Sunday then travel on the on Sunday/Monday and and vote on Tuesday.
Yes, they did what was convenient for those times. I don’t think it’s comvenient anymore though, so why not change it? If people start serving a tradition instead of the tradition serving the people… just get rid of it?
Well in the us voting is done on many days. The official election has to held on Tuesday but you have weeks in advance of early voting. You really have to have many days of voting for a population this size.
Oh, right, isn’t that another oddity with the US, that not everyone has an ID card? Searching the internet tells me there is no such thing as a general ID card in the US. 🙃
Over here, everyone who’s eligible for voting (adult citizens) also has an ID card.
Voting registration. I get a letter that I can vote and what the options are. Then on voting day, which is on a Sunday, because why would it be on any other day, I just walk into my town hall with that letter and my ID card, put down my crosses and leave. It’s like a walk in the park, often quite literally.
I think the thing is, in America people aren’t required to register their residence with the government. At least here in Austria, we are, and that doubles as voter registration if we are eligible to vote. So there is voter registration here too, but it is compulsory.
Ah, if that’s the case, then I can get on board with a separate voting registration. Not sure, I’d prefer it, but at least it’s not just arbitrarily making democracy harder.
Making democracy harder is definitely part of it. Elections are super regional in the US, so states have a ton of control. If a state elects a state government controlled by Party A, that party has a lot of incentive to make it harder for members of Party B to vote next time. So if Party B is mostly young and working class, you make it so elections take place when those people are stuck at work. If Party A is super religious, you make sure that voting spots are near (or inside) churches. If Party B is less likely to have access to a stable address or a driver’s license, you make registering to vote without those difficult, and you maybe wipe the voter rolls occasionally and require re-registration.
The goal is retaining power and not on strengthening democracy. It’s fucked up, and it’s going to get worse as each party is forced to continue escalating. You can’t fix the system without power, and you can’t get power without undermining the system. We all know something in this country is deeply broken, but we hate and distrust each other too much to work together to fix it.
Wow. Over here, we thankfully have more than two parties, so if one party attempts such a thing, the 5+ other parties will denounce that in unison and it becomes pretty clear that it’s not just one of the usual quarrels.
It also means, you pretty much always have coalitions ruling the country, so not even the ruling parties have a shared interest in pushing anti-democratic horseshit. Many of the smaller parties would in fact really like to see more voters reached, because those are wildcards and not just voting for always the same big parties.
You definitely are required to register your home. Those property taxes aren’t going to pay themselves.
But you don’t need a home to vote. We went through a whole period in our early history where only land owners were allowed to vote, and generally only white men. It would be discriminatory to not allow homeless people to vote.
Homeless people can vote in Austria too. But they do have to register separately as such. For everyone else, the government already knows where they live (because we are required to register our residences) and uses that information to compile a voter registry .
It’s since the elections are state run, so there’s no central db. Once you register though your electoral experience is a state by state crapshoot.
Some will make you stand in line for hours forcing you to miss work, others do mail-in ballots with early voting which is kind of awesome.
Wild idea, states should have a central database of the people permanently living there. The fact that they don’t seem to have one is baffling to me.
oh I know we don’t do it on Sunday. America was so spread out that it took days to get into and kind of town. So you go to church on Sunday then travel on the on Sunday/Monday and and vote on Tuesday.
Yes, they did what was convenient for those times. I don’t think it’s comvenient anymore though, so why not change it? If people start serving a tradition instead of the tradition serving the people… just get rid of it?
Well in the us voting is done on many days. The official election has to held on Tuesday but you have weeks in advance of early voting. You really have to have many days of voting for a population this size.
How about you’d do both? It is possible to have early voting AND vote on a day where more people are home from work by default.
we do early voting happens on the weekend.
ID card? But what about non-white people? /s
Oh, right, isn’t that another oddity with the US, that not everyone has an ID card? Searching the internet tells me there is no such thing as a general ID card in the US. 🙃
Over here, everyone who’s eligible for voting (adult citizens) also has an ID card.
Federal government started verifying identities, allowing people to get Real ID driver’s licenses, which are basically federal IDs
We have ID cards but most people just get their driver’s license.
Nah, it’s the poor people we don’t like.