I’m so lost on how to tip anymore. I remember back when 12% pre-tax was considered a really good tip, but now the kiosks recommend 20-25% (which is usually ON TOP of tax).

I already don’t tip anywhere I’m not sitting down with service, but 20-25% is crazy when I’m just trying to get fed.

  • EhForumUser@lemmy.ca
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    1 year ago

    Traditionally, tipping is unrelated to low wages. It has to do with the transactional structure related to serving alcohol. There is good reason why the practice emerged in bars and why many of the laws established around tipping refer specifically to alcohol.

    Unlike other liabilities which are shouldered entirely by the business, the liability related to alcohol falls on the server. Likewise, the server has free rein to reject your request for alcohol, even against the wishes of the business. This is so because there is, legally speaking, a direct business relationship between the server and the customer when alcohol is involved. Tipping exists because of that business dealing that exists outside of the establishment’s business dealings with you.

    In the trades, when you do work directly for a customer – done so under your name with you bearing the responsibility and liability, you too will collect payment directly from the customer. This isn’t unusual or exclusive to serving.

    So, yes, paying 0% makes sense. Without alcohol being purchased, there is no business relationship with the server. The transaction is clearly with the establishment and the establishment alone. With alcohol, things are less clear cut, but I have never met a server yet that outlines their fee structure. It is generally understood that they are going to do the work for free.

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      1 year ago

      I don’t think that’s true. My understanding is that typing first started in the US because black workers were not getting paid, or paid less, and it was a way for them to subsidize their income.

      Also, the general etiquette back in the day, when tipping at restaurants was 10%, was to not tip on the alcohol portion of your bill, only the food, and don’t tip the owner.

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        1 year ago

        Tipping in the US isn’t thought to have began until well into the 1800s, which is centuries after the practice is thought to have began. The US didn’t exist when tipping is believed to have originated.

        However, I think it is fair that you point out that black people not being paid paid by a business would be, for all practical purposes, self-employed, and as such the business relationship again would be directly with the customer.