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  • 🏴 hamid abbasi [he/him] 🏴@vegantheoryclub.orgOPM
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    2 days ago

    I’ve really had it with Lemmy. I tried pretty hard to enjoy myself using this service but the people that have migrated from reddit are the worst of the worst. The constant US election bullshit and focus, the harassment communities, the drama, the targeting people I like has gotten to me in a way that I don’t like and I don’t know if I’m coming back.

    I’ve been donating to the devs, running an instance and trying hard to participate in good faith. What did I get in return? A literally crazy person who pretended to be my friend then went nuclear and used alts to try and manipulate me and my community when it didn’t go her way. That in particular made me sick to my stomach, they literally pretended to be my friend just to turn around and go to manipulation instead of discussion. They are one of the most active posters with a stream of low effort shit that no one really needs to read. Highly upvoted. I could have seen that anywhere else. Pretty soon after a bunch of people who focus on bullying users who are my friends was the end of the fucks I have to give. I feel like I’ve wasted my time and money here and I’m not really sure what my next steps here are.

    Some loser I interacted with was the last straw, gaslighting me saying that because a thread was about the civil war that a discussion between two people one of who was saying chemical weapons was bad and the moderator of said community clearly saying how they work well against people in bunkers while running a community about military defense memes was too much. You fucking fascists and your plausible deniability behind shit posting is the worst and it isn’t my reading comprehension, it is you being an inhuman fuck. This guy literally is a fucking basement dwelling troll with no life and why would I let them make me mad? They are the most pathetic person in the world and I hate them, this is a waste of my emotions. Honestly if I was online as much as that person I would be ashamed of how I was living my life. But they’re not alone in their petty bullshit and hostility. The general community here is vicious with their down votes and silencing tactics and it really seems like there is a concentration of hopelessness and depression here. Especially the way people here are promoting a war in other places with all the mass death and destruction it entails while viciously silencing calls for ceasefire and peace make me sick. The fact that any view coming from anyone is smeared as Russian really speaks to how much American propaganda is infesting this place and their minds. In the end of the day, isn’t it convenient how they can all sit in their homes thousands of miles away playing video games while promoting war, it is disgusting. If you support war get off your loser ass and go fight and see how it is. I can tell you as someone who has had a military destroy their family that no war is worth it, ceasefire is always the best solution to save lives. I wish I could just block and filter it all but then there is literally nothing left being posted it seems.

    I had enough, I had enough with the Americans who dominate it. I had enough with the ratio of bullying to content. The way this is going has no future and I am tired of wasting my time. I like the cooking community and I will see if there is a way I can life boat that elsewhere but I for sure am not going to be posting on other lemmy instances anymore. You dipshits won. I’m sure these terminally online losers who dominate this service will be happy to sit there and post to themselves in a never ending circlejerk.

    I’ll see ya’all later when I have some food to share, otherwise I’m done.

    • imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works
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      2 days ago

      Hi, I’m sorry that you’re having this experience on Lemmy. People on here can be complete assholes for no reason.

      I wanted to at least apologize for removing the fediseer endorsement for this instance a couple weeks ago. At the time, I was annoyed because you were voting to defederate my instance, but I also didn’t realize that it would send you a notification about it 😕. If I could turn back time I never would have done that.

      Anyway, I am not a vegan myself but I support veganism and I can see that you have positive intentions with this instance. I think that it’s a valuable space and component of the fediverse and I hope it continues to grow. I hold a great deal of admiration and respect for vegans, especially those who do it for ethical reasons.

      I just wish everyone could get along, I’m really sorry that other people are ruining your experience here. Please let me know if any users on sh.itjust.works are harassing you and I will deal with them.

      • arcane potato (she/they)@vegantheoryclub.org
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        2 days ago

        Hi!

        I’m not speaking on behalf of this instance or anyone else on here.

        I’m not sure you had the opportunity to see the content of the thread where defederating was discussed? I don’t really browse all and only subscribe to a few communities outside of this instance so I am not super well versed, but when I read that thread, I learned that there are a few communities on your instance that seem to be designed to stir up drama with other communities for whatever reason. I think that is one of the reasons it was being floated. In the end, it didn’t seem to be the right choice for the community.

        I’m not sure that it’s easy to pin down harassment to particular users, as people can have multiple accounts across multiple instances. I think this is one of the reasons defederating wasn’t necessarily the right choice for this instance.

        I can certainly understand why it would be hurtful to come across people wanting to defederate. I believe with this instance the hope is for things to be discussed publicly as much as possible and for decisions to be made with the community. That can mean having tough discussions about how things impact us and it can get messy. I am very confused about how this earns us the label of tankie, but I will never understand everything ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

        • imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works
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          23 hours ago

          Yes, I did see the thread. The main communities mentioned seemed to be NonCredibleDefense and MeanwhileOnGrad.

          NCD is a meme community focusing around topics such as military equipment, wars, and geopolitics. They seem to have a generally pro-Western/NATO slant, which sometimes conflicts with the anti-western viewpoints held on some Lemmy servers. Left alone, they would just be posting memes about being sexually attracted to fighter jets. But because a bunch of others on Lemmy believe that such memes indicate that they are fascists and/or sociopaths, occasional drama does arise.

          MeanwhileOnGrad is definitely a community that stirs some drama, I can’t deny that. They post screenshots of content from lemmygrad and hexbear in order to publicize some of the extreme views that are commonly expressed within those communities. If the target were anyone other than tankies, I would probably have less tolerance for that community. However, in the context of Lemmy, where the devs and most of the original servers are extreme leftists, I am not so sympathetic to accusations of bullying. In my view, the tankie perspective is more than fairly represented already, and MeanwhileOnGrad is simply a healthy counterpoint to the pervasive bullying that is done by tankies to every other Lemmy server.

          I believe with this instance the hope is for things to be discussed publicly as much as possible and for decisions to be made with the community. That can mean having tough discussions about how things impact us and it can get messy.

          That’s the same way we handle things on sh.itjust.works. Having a frank discussion with the community and coming to a consensus. Unfortunately on Lemmy, it seems that every server gets labeled as either tankie or fascist and frequently both, so you’re in good company.