• pivot_root@lemmy.world
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        Chromium (Google Chrome’s base) is also open source.

        And yet, we’re still at a corporation’s mercy as to whether everything Chromium-based gets ruined by Google’s fuck-what-the-users-want policies. Like with Manifest V3. And JXL support. And extensions on mobile.

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            Users don’t know what the fuck Manifest is period. They just click the internet button. And for the longest time that meant the E with a loop around it. Now that means the multicolored circle.

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              Users know that they want more security. MV3 makes a major of users that use Chrome safer from malicious extensions.

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                I get what you’re saying, but the average person has no idea what it is, why they should care, or anything about it. All they see is Google making their extensions stop working. And when that includes some of the most popular extensions, that directly affect Googles revenue, they’re going to think that’s the reason.

                The overwhelming majority of users get their extensions from the Chrome Web Store… Which Google has full control over. Users expect them to be blocking almost all malicious extensions before they’re even available to download.

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                  This. Google is pushing MV3 to single out and neuter the more robust and customizable ad blockers, like uBO. They’re trying to appease their advertising investors by force feeding ads to you and they’re plugging the leaks/workarounds savvy developers have created to block them.

                  If Firefox ever gets popular enough, what do you wanna bet money bags Google, their primary monetary contributor, will put a condition on the next round of funding that they stop support for MV2?

                  Stay small and crazy customizable Firefox.

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              Because it makes a majority of users that use Chrome much safer. Do you do any basic research? Do you need me to point you to the getting started guide?

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                It doesn’t though. An adblocker is your VERY most important tool in a good security posture. Googles playing any users who ask for MV3 for fools

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                  The average user is and always will be an ignorant and careless user. And they are the majority. As in over 50%

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            the minority of people complaining about it are the only ones who know what it even is

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        So is Android. So is Chromium. So is React, and Flutter. So is Java.

        Open source doesn’t mean FOSS.

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          Open source does mean FOSS. It doesn’t mean community-oriented.

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            No it doesn’t. Different licenses dictate what you can and can’t do with open source software. Some are more restrictive than others. Open source simply means that the source code is freely available.

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      I’m grateful for FF, but they also annoy me at times. Just little stuff probably not worth bitching about in detail. But also a peek at the potential for problems that you’re talking about.

      So of course I’ll bitch about it.

      I call it the “stop whatever you think you’d rather do right now and pay attention to our product” type shit.

      Imagine you have a combination wrench and whenever you take it out of the toolbox it starts yammering at you about how great of a wrench it is and all if its shiny features. Fucking ridiculous, right?

      So why do we tolerate software that does that?

      Way too much software does this pushy shit. Just stay outta my face and do your actual job, software.

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        Because people have the attention span of a goldfish and if you aren’t reminding them every 5 seconds of the features they have available they’ll forget they do in fact use them and then complain to support because they can’t spend 5 seconds on the help page.

        I say this, not in defense of mozilla, but in frustration at having to deal daily with these kinds of issues. You can put giant screen-size arrows on where to go / what single “do the thing” button to press and people will still forget 5 seconds later.

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          Good point. That’s true, there is definitely that side of it. I think what you’re talking about is less obnoxious than the stuff that feels forced and make-the-boss-happy promotional. Push notifcations for no reason, etc. It’s a spectrum from necessary to uneccessary, and there’s too much of the latter IMO.

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        We’re so fucking used to ads we don’t even always realize we’re getting pushed propaganda

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      Firefox is a foundation, not a corporation. And I’m already using Fennec instead of the official release.

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      Yeah, it’s strange just how readily the blinders go up wherever Mozilla is concerned. They’re a corp, just like any other; if they had the money and leverage, they’d be just as aggressive as Google. Have people already forgotten that time they laid off 200+ employees and then gave all the execs bonuses?

      E: Apparently y’all have forgotten. In 2021, Mozilla laid off a few hundred employees. CEO’s salary doubled that year. Fuck Mozilla, they’re no more your friends than Google or Microsoft; they’re the same evil, just smaller-scaled evil, is all.

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        But they haven’t threatened to undercut ad blocking yet, so as a comparison they are better.

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        You forgot to also mention that they are a cult where you get attacked if you say anything negative about Mozilla.

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            I’m not shilling for anyone. If you want to discuss actual technical details I’m happy to do so. If you’re here just to share your feelings absent facts then I don’t care what you have to say.

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          Looking around, I don’t think that’s true. Lots of bad things are freely said about Mozilla and the people running it.