Except that states have no fucking business telling someone what they can do with their body. “State’s rights” my ass! This is a “personal right”that was stolen.
Because a lot of states no longer have power from the people, they’ve gerrymandered and made it hard to vote enough that you need a supermajority to get the will of the people into law.
the federal government has a lot of similar issues, but it also innately has some more checks. For instance, its districts are the states, and you cannot arbitrarily redraw state borders like how states can redraw voting districts.
Because several ass-backward states then took advantage of the fact that the right to undergo an abortion was no longer protected under Constitutional law and passed legislation that stripped away reproductive rights from their citizens.
Just because the SC didn’t ban abortion itself, doesn’t mean that it wasn’t the effective result for millions of Americans.
It’s not a state rights issue, it’s a human rights issue and the SCOTUS was protecting the people of the US from the States until the court overturned Roe v Wade
Because the idea of states of the same federation being allowed to decide such fundamental issues on their own feels patently absurd to an outside observer. This isn’t the 1400s any more, do something remotely modern or fully separate and split into 51 countries and do your own shit.
Because In many state you are beholden to large swaths of Rural land and the representatives they send to the statehouse. Those reps can be swayed (bought). Lucky for Ohio they were able to use their constitution to protect themselves. Ballot initiatives can give the people a voice on pressing matters… As in Ohio, The Reps were trying to take away the voice of the majority of the state voters. They lost and I expect they will brought to heel by the will of the people of Ohio in November. State constitutions are a check against legislative power. No wonder the R’s don’t like that. They want to rule, not represent.
I’ve seen this argument elsewhere and it seems (pardon me) like patent horseshit.
Why is this a state’s right? What makes a uterus in Delaware different than an uterus in Nebraska? I’m a woman and an American citizen. Everyone keeps telling me that I live in a first-world nation. This makes no sense. “Oh sorry. You live in a first world nation, but you picked the neighborhood of Ohio.”
And let’s be realistic - I can afford to travel to anywhere that local, precious state laws where I live are irrelevant.
The idea of state autonomy made sense in some way in the America that existed before telephones. Emergency decisions might need to be made and horses are slow. But let’s be honest for just a moment. The whole idea of federation was a hard sell to the slave states and invested powers. These were a mixture of landowners and merchant classes who had been running things locally in their colonies. They didn’t want to give up control, and who could blame them? Meanwhile, the young country needed to have everyone on board for some sort of federation if post-colonial America was going to survive. States rights were a compromise. We’ve been choking on it for 200+ years.
As a country we should have evolved past this many years ago. But we haven’t. The biggest disruption to our American system was the Civil War. States rights again. Yeah, so we have that to look back upon but never really seem to reckon with it. The last time I heard anyone significantly whine about infringement of “states rights” was with regard to chattel slavery.
“The Supreme Court’s jurisprudence on these questions has not followed a straight line. At times, the Court has stated that the Tenth Amendment lacks substantive constitutional content and does not operate as a limitation upon the powers, express or implied, delegated to the national government. At other times, the Court has found affirmative federalism limitations in the Amendment, invalidating federal statutes not because Congress lacked legislative authority over the subject matter, but because those statutes violated the principles of federalism contained in the Tenth Amendment”
The founders were day-drunk alcoholics that wrote the Constitution while blitzed because beer was the only source of clean drinking water. They didn’t bathe because they believed washing off the dirt and sweat and oils would let in “bad airs” and make them sick.
The fact that we pretend like their magic scroll is a good system of government is a joke.
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Except that states have no fucking business telling someone what they can do with their body. “State’s rights” my ass! This is a “personal right”that was stolen.
Because a lot of states no longer have power from the people, they’ve gerrymandered and made it hard to vote enough that you need a supermajority to get the will of the people into law.
the federal government has a lot of similar issues, but it also innately has some more checks. For instance, its districts are the states, and you cannot arbitrarily redraw state borders like how states can redraw voting districts.
Because several ass-backward states then took advantage of the fact that the right to undergo an abortion was no longer protected under Constitutional law and passed legislation that stripped away reproductive rights from their citizens.
Just because the SC didn’t ban abortion itself, doesn’t mean that it wasn’t the effective result for millions of Americans.
It’s not a state rights issue, it’s a human rights issue and the SCOTUS was protecting the people of the US from the States until the court overturned Roe v Wade
Because the idea of states of the same federation being allowed to decide such fundamental issues on their own feels patently absurd to an outside observer. This isn’t the 1400s any more, do something remotely modern or fully separate and split into 51 countries and do your own shit.
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Yeah, except that’s not correct
States do not have unrestricted rights and cannot negate human rights.
Lol. State’s rights like slavery. I knew someone who said the same thing about slavery and why it was/is still a right.
Because In many state you are beholden to large swaths of Rural land and the representatives they send to the statehouse. Those reps can be swayed (bought). Lucky for Ohio they were able to use their constitution to protect themselves. Ballot initiatives can give the people a voice on pressing matters… As in Ohio, The Reps were trying to take away the voice of the majority of the state voters. They lost and I expect they will brought to heel by the will of the people of Ohio in November. State constitutions are a check against legislative power. No wonder the R’s don’t like that. They want to rule, not represent.
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I’ve seen this argument elsewhere and it seems (pardon me) like patent horseshit.
Why is this a state’s right? What makes a uterus in Delaware different than an uterus in Nebraska? I’m a woman and an American citizen. Everyone keeps telling me that I live in a first-world nation. This makes no sense. “Oh sorry. You live in a first world nation, but you picked the neighborhood of Ohio.”
And let’s be realistic - I can afford to travel to anywhere that local, precious state laws where I live are irrelevant.
The idea of state autonomy made sense in some way in the America that existed before telephones. Emergency decisions might need to be made and horses are slow. But let’s be honest for just a moment. The whole idea of federation was a hard sell to the slave states and invested powers. These were a mixture of landowners and merchant classes who had been running things locally in their colonies. They didn’t want to give up control, and who could blame them? Meanwhile, the young country needed to have everyone on board for some sort of federation if post-colonial America was going to survive. States rights were a compromise. We’ve been choking on it for 200+ years.
As a country we should have evolved past this many years ago. But we haven’t. The biggest disruption to our American system was the Civil War. States rights again. Yeah, so we have that to look back upon but never really seem to reckon with it. The last time I heard anyone significantly whine about infringement of “states rights” was with regard to chattel slavery.
Why is everyone worried about giving power to fascist Florida and Texas? It only takes two or three brain cells to figure it out.
You really think Texas and Florida deserved the power they already had?
if it were up to people like you, slavery would still be up to states’ discretion
States aren’t people and they shouldn’t have rights.
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Just out here making things up. Regulating federalism is now and always has been an open question with differing opinions.
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt10-1/ALDE_00013619/
“The Supreme Court’s jurisprudence on these questions has not followed a straight line. At times, the Court has stated that the Tenth Amendment lacks substantive constitutional content and does not operate as a limitation upon the powers, express or implied, delegated to the national government. At other times, the Court has found affirmative federalism limitations in the Amendment, invalidating federal statutes not because Congress lacked legislative authority over the subject matter, but because those statutes violated the principles of federalism contained in the Tenth Amendment”
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“states rights” isn’t a magic spell you can cast to let your choice politicians do whatever they want
see: the civil war
lol you think I give a shit about your magic scroll?
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@Oyster_Lust @queermunist
You sound nice.
Goodbye.
The founders were day-drunk alcoholics that wrote the Constitution while blitzed because beer was the only source of clean drinking water. They didn’t bathe because they believed washing off the dirt and sweat and oils would let in “bad airs” and make them sick.
The fact that we pretend like their magic scroll is a good system of government is a joke.