The shooter was 12 when Trump was first elected. archive

  • WanderingVentra
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    4 months ago

    I agree. It was a dumb thing for him to even try in the first place, but it’s hard to blame some kid who was a teenager during the pandemic. Still, considering the case most likely to get Trump in jail was just dismissed I wouldn’t hold your breath for this country’s justice system.

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      4 months ago

      Don’t make excuses for this idiot. He attempted to murder a politician because he didn’t have anything else going on in his sad life. We can all do better.

      And that case will be appealed.

      • vxx@lemmy.world
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        4 months ago

        His classmates said he was a bully during high school. This doesn’t appear to be the victim nor the hero Lemmy tries so hard to make us believe.

        Just keep in mind, the alt-right are rooting for a civil war for years now. So who do you think is behind inciting lefties to become violent, Lemmy?

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          4 months ago

          It doesn’t matter who is behind it. The whataboutism on this is gross. It doesn’t matter what the other side does, we do not have to stoop to murder or threats. We can all be better.

          • breadsmasher@lemmy.world
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            4 months ago

            stoop to murder

            on principal I completely agree.

            But heres a comparison people will likely cry about.

            At what point from hitlers starting point in politics, to his suicide in the bunker, should the german people have started committing violence to overthrow their government?

            • vxx@lemmy.world
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              4 months ago

              A comment I shamelessly copied from another thread, but it answers your question well.

              Everyone in Hitler’s orbit was just as hateful as he was. But in many cases, they were smarter and less insane. Killing Hitler could have easily made WW2 a lot worse for everyone. What if you assassinated Hitler only to cause the Nazis to win?

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                4 months ago

                I think the point I am making is slightly different. I am not suggesting the german people should have killed hitler, job done. I specifically said to overthrow their government.

                If the implication isn’t obvious - at what point should the german people have risen up and began a civil war to overthrow the entire nazi government.

                Not just one single person, because like you pointed out, it wouldn’t have changed much in the grand scheme.

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                  4 months ago

                  A war against the elected government in a climate of disinformation doesn’t seem doable. You don’t get a majority until it’s too late.

                  Efforts has been punched down the same way as in russia. Dictatorships end with war.

                  The only solution is to not elect fascists in the first place.

                  What would a civil war in America look like these days, 30+ years of ambushes and small battles until people get tired and end it without a solution? US cities will look like Bagdad and your short lives will be miserable.

                  Getting violent now as a violent minority will push the majority to the guys defending, not the guys attacking. Trump doesn’t live in a vacuum and he has been coming a long way, but by getting violent now, he will get bonus points.

                  Your only chance is to not elect him. How do you think you will motivate enough people to kill strangers and neighbours when you can’t even convince them to vote.

                  So how about starting to make people vote instead of inciting violence on the Internet?

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                    4 months ago

                    Im not american, im just watching the dumpster fire burning while asking sincere questions about it, and wondering at what point drawing parallels stops being “hurr they arent nazis”

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              4 months ago

              This isn’t that, not yet anyway. All bets are off if they start rounding americans up based on their race or political ideology but we should otherwise use our institutions, both the elections and the courts, and freedom of speech.

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                4 months ago

                No I completely agree. I am just posing the hypothetical of when “political violence” moves into effectively “battle for survival under an oppressive regime”

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            4 months ago

            That’s my point. The commentor I replied to got downvoted for condemning violence, while the ones above that should get banned for inciting violence get upvoted like crazy.

            And it’s no secret that troll farms have it easy here. Willful audience to eat it all up and get radicalised. I just tried to wake them up to what’s happening on here.